Jan 3, 2019, 6:26 pm
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HELP DESK: Lounge Access, Access Rules. Will I Have Lounge Access? (2019)
Please read this wiki carefully; some fine nuances exist.
Please read this wiki carefully; some fine nuances exist.
Link to aa.com Admirals Club, Flagship Lounge Access rules.
Also see Admirals Club rates increasing, new restrictions: 2019
PLEASE DO NOT ALTER THE CONTENT OF THIS MODERATOR NOTE
The Lounge Access Help Desk
To assist members with questions about Lounge Access Rules that they have not been able to answer on their own using the above resources, the AA Moderator team has decided to institute this thread, the third in a series of "Help Desk" threads. N.B.: If you have questions about physical access to a specific lounge (e.g., airside vs. landside, different terminal, etc.), please search for and post to the appropriate specific thread for that lounge.
New threads on this topic will be merged into this one and bumped by the moderators as necessary. As such, we do not expect that this thread will develop into a searchable database, but that it will nonetheless provide a valuable resource to members. As well, we may shed / pare down posts from time to time to a trailing thread or similar device.
Our goal is to provide a place where members can feel welcome to post such questions and expect helpful, accurate responses. In this way, we hope to accommodate the needs and desires of both new and veteran members - those who aren't sure they are interpreting the available resources correctly can ask for help without fear of snarky-appearing responses; those who do not wish to participate in such threads are invited and, indeed, encouraged, to ignore this thread.
Please be forewarned: This thread will be subject to heavy moderation. Posts that are incorrect will be subject to deletion without notice - DO NOT POST answers unless you are sure your answer is complete and correct. Posts that are unhelpful or off-topic will also be subject to deletion without notice - DO NOT POST unless you can be friendly, helpful, concise, and salient.
Finally, a few guidelines for members posting queries to this thread:
- Please DO make an effort to review the listed resources before posting here.
- Please DO try to give as much information as possible, including your entire itinerary, with carrier for each segment and codeshares and stopovers clearly designated, your class of service and fare class purchased, whether or not you have Admirals Club or Qantas Club membership, a Citi AAdvantage Executive card (which includes full Admirals Club membership), and the number of guests and your family relationship with them, if any.
- Please DO understand it could take some time for answers (especially on holidays and weekends.)
- Please DO thank helpful members volunteering to reply to your questions.
Note: Members interested in arranging AA lounge meet-ups or offer guesting in should use this thread: Admirals Club / Flagship Lounge Meet Up & Guest Offer (master thread)
Also see the future changes in lounges and access: Admirals Club and Flagship Lounge Changes, Renovations & Additions
Sincerely,
The American Airlines AAdvantage forum Moderator Team
(Help Desk established by dstan)
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Help Desk: Lounge Access Rules / Will I Have Lounge Access?
Lounge Access can be obtained in a number of ways during travel on AA and its oneworld partner airlines. These include purchasing an Admirals Club one day pass, or via Citi AAdvantage Executive MasterCard (including, as of Dec 2015, authorized Executive card users), reciprocity agreements with other airlines, traveling on certain transcon flights in F or J, or traveling internationally with Platinum or Platinum Pro (oneworld Sapphire) or Concierge Key or Executive Platinum (oneworld Emerald) status or in F or J classes of service - except if flying solely within North America destinations other than MEX as AAdvantage elite or AA elite in Business class. The last is often the greatest source of confusion, despite lounge access rules being described clearly on aa.com.
Admirals Club members paid or Executive primary cardholder members) are entitled guests as follows:
Up to two guests or household members (spouse, domestic partner and/or children under the age of 18) may accompany the member.
Executive card subsidiary cardholders have admission as well.
PLT and PPRO members are eligible for access to all oneworld Business Class lounges, now including Flagship Lounges, including Admirals Clubs; EXP and CK members are also eligible for access to nearly all oneworld First Class lounges, including Flagship Lounges.
For AA status-based access (PLT, PPRO, EXP, Concierge Key),* passengers must: (1) be traveling on an international itinerary (Europe, Asia, Central and South America, and Mexico City, excluding the Caribbean and other destinations in North America (other than on certain three class transcontinental flights) including other destinations in Mexico, and (2) have an onward flight on a oneworld airline marketed and operated flight on the same day.
Lounges operated by third parties or premium lounges operating outside of oneworld rules (e.g. BA Concorde Room, Qatar Al Safwa or Al Mourjan lounges, AA Flagship First Dining) may be excluded, and all may may refuse admittance if they claim they are crowded. There are other exceptions.
*Non-AA oneworld Sapphire and Emerald elites are not subject to rule #1 above.
Emerald / EP on CX JFK-YVR are not subject to AA limitations and are issued Flagship Lounge invitations for use at JFK.
The following exceptions apply: (in part; for the entire list, see here)
American Airlines and Qantas paid programmes
American Airlines and Qantas offer programmes enabling customers to pay to gain access to their lounges. These programmes are not part of the oneworld agreement, and members of these programmes are not entitled to access lounges under the oneworld agreement.
American Airlines AAdvantage member North American flights
American Airlines Airlines AAdvantage members, regardless of their tier status or class of travel, are not eligble for lounge access when travelling solely on North American flights within or between the U.S, Canada, Mexico (except Mexico City), the Bahamas, Bermuda and the Carribean. For more information, visit, http://aa.com/i18n/travelInformation...miralsClub.jsp
American Airlines and Qantas paid programmes
American Airlines and Qantas offer programmes enabling customers to pay to gain access to their lounges. These programmes are not part of the oneworld agreement, and members of these programmes are not entitled to access lounges under the oneworld agreement.
American Airlines AAdvantage member North American flights
American Airlines Airlines AAdvantage members, regardless of their tier status or class of travel, are not eligble for lounge access when travelling solely on North American flights within or between the U.S, Canada, Mexico (except Mexico City), the Bahamas, Bermuda and the Carribean. For more information, visit, http://aa.com/i18n/travelInformation...miralsClub.jsp
Traveling Flagship® Business Transcontinentalalso gives you lounge access and other amenities:
Los Angeles (LAX) - New York (JFK)
San Francisco (SFO) - JFK
LAX - Boston (BOS) – traveling on A321T aircraft only
LAX - Miami (MIA) – traveling on B777-300 aircraft only (through October 26, 2019)
San Francisco (SFO) - JFK
LAX - Boston (BOS) – traveling on A321T aircraft only
LAX - Miami (MIA) – traveling on B777-300 aircraft only (through October 26, 2019)
The following exceptions apply:
First and Business Class customers who do not hold Emerald or Sapphire tier status are not eligible to access American Airlines lounges when travelling on solely domestic flights within the U.S. or between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico [except Mexico City], the Bahamas, Bermuda and the Caribbean; customers travelling in First or Business class on U.S. transcontinental flights between JFK-LAX, JFK-SFO and vice-versa are eligible for lounge access. oneworld lounge access page - link
First and Business Class customers who do not hold Emerald or Sapphire tier status are not eligible to access American Airlines lounges when travelling on solely domestic flights within the U.S. or between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico [except Mexico City], the Bahamas, Bermuda and the Caribbean; customers travelling in First or Business class on U.S. transcontinental flights between JFK-LAX, JFK-SFO and vice-versa are eligible for lounge access. oneworld lounge access page - link
Important Note: Though this announcement excluded Northern South America and Central America, those travelling to or from those destinations in J/F or who hold OWE or OWS, including AA elites, do indeed have access to the Flagship Lounge. See the link below for Flagship Lounge access rules for details.
In the Flagship Dining subsection, they state:
Beginning in early 2017, the Flagship Dining experience will be available in select cities with 3-class service:
● Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) (2019)
● New York (JFK)
● Miami (MIA)
● Los Angeles (LAX)
First Class customers on American’s three class international and transcontinental flights will have exclusive access to Flagship Dining.
● Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) (2019)
● New York (JFK)
● Miami (MIA)
● Los Angeles (LAX)
First Class customers on American’s three class international and transcontinental flights will have exclusive access to Flagship Dining.
Flagship Lounges (JFK, LAX, LHR and ORD) offer extended beverages and upscale snack services as well. See below for link.
NOTE: Some Lounges and Clubs are undergoing refurbishment.
Citi Prestige MasterCard holder Admirals Club access ended July 23, 2017.
American Express Platinum cardholder Admirals Club access ended 21 March 2014.
NOTE: It has been verified more airports are allowing multiple terminal access on one's day of departure. LAX has been one since mid-2014.
Admirals Club access is granted the day of flight for statusholders flyingoneworld and those flying F or J, or the following day at the first port of arrival if flying overnight and arriving by 0600.
Airports requiring Lounge users have a same day departure boarding pass include BOG, CCS, CDG, GIG, GRU, LHR, MEX, NRT, SCL, YYZ.
N.B. Qantas Lounges and Clubs require Smart Casual (sic) dress as of May 2015; those not meeting the standard may be turned away. They also require Admirals Club members be traveling on a departing AA marketed flight, otherbthan the LAX / TBIT lounge.
Please see the following resources for full details on Lounge Access Rules: (and see below)
. . . ● AA.com: Lounge Access Rules
. . . ● AA.com: American Airlines Flagship Lounge Access Rules
Beginning later in 2017: https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...ge-updates.jsp opens Flagship access to many more pax.
. . . ● AA.com: Reimaging our lounges
. . . ● AA.com: Admirals Club Membership Guide in a downloadable PDF format.
. . . ● oneworld.com: Lounge Access Rules and Search Tool
. . . ● Wiki: Lounges
. . . ● FT: American Airlines LOUNGE DASHBOARD
For various threads on membership, access by status, transcon service, class of service, Flagship lounge access, lounges directory with links to specific lounge threads, Club member access to partner lounges, recipripocity agreements, etc.
. . . ● Last year's thread:https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...es-2017-a.html
Admirals Club Membership + Reciprocal Qantas Club Access (master thread)
Note: Qantas Club access for Admirals Club members has recently CHANGED
Note: Qantas Club access for Admirals Club members has recently CHANGED
Admirals Club members
As an Admirals Club annual, lifetime member, Citi® / AAdvantage® Executive Card primary cardholder, or AirPass member with Admirals Club privileges, your Qantas Club domestic access has recently changed (again):
Select Qantas Clubs when departing on the same day on a
Qantas operated flight or an American marketed flight operated by Qantas.
Qantas operated flight or an American marketed flight operated by Qantas.
NOTE: This is different than oneworld access rules and pertains only to Admirals Club members.
Also note Qantas will soon begin selling single admission starting at $49, but these at least initially will be restricted to QF Bronze or Silver members and only available during non-peak times. At this time, AA flyers are ineligible. Link to Australian Business Traveller article.
Previously, members could access Qantas domestic lounges with an Admirals Club card without having purchased the AA codeshare. This is no longer permitted. These changes do not include one world Emerald or Sapphire members.
Eligible Admirals Club members must present the following documentation: [/B]
- Government-issued photo ID
- Admirals Club membership card
- Applicable boarding pass for same day travel
NOTE Qantas Club Dress Code: N.B. Qantas Lounges and Clubs will require Smart Casual (sic) dress as of May 2015; those not meeting the standard may be turned away. (No open-toe shoes.) c/o hartlogan
ARCHIVE: HELP DESK: Will I Have Lounge Access? Which, Access, Rules (2019)
Feb 28, 2019, 11:47 pm
#106
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Hi, I will be traveling SFO-JFK-NRT on AA/JL in J. SFO-JFK is a red-eye departing in the evening and arriving in JFK the next morning where I have a 5-6 hour layover in JFK before my JL departure to NRT. If I were to upgrade the SFO-JFK segment to F using miles, would I get flagship dining access in JFK? I am planning on using the AA lounges in JFK mainly since I think they are better than what JL uses in Terminal 1. (LH business I think?)
As a side note, I would make sure to have a printed copy of your SFO-JFK boarding pass; although I have used an expired mobile boarding pass to gain access on arrival, it is less convenient.
Mar 7, 2019, 8:07 am
#107
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Sorry for a newb question, but rarely fly AA (temporary Gold status)
Flying MEX-DFW-CLE in Biz/F on 25k award ticket (no status).
Lounge access in DFW?
Thanks
Flying MEX-DFW-CLE in Biz/F on 25k award ticket (no status).
Lounge access in DFW?
Thanks
Mar 13, 2019, 4:12 pm
#109
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 18
Lounge Access in DFW
Coming back from CAI-AMM-DOH(Qsuites)-DFW-SAN
Its a business class award and the last leg is First. On the last leg I have a 7 hour wait in DFW. Any idea of what lounges I'm allowed to access there in DFW?
Thanks
Its a business class award and the last leg is First. On the last leg I have a 7 hour wait in DFW. Any idea of what lounges I'm allowed to access there in DFW?
Thanks
Mar 13, 2019, 4:21 pm
#110
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As you’re arriving in a qualifying service cabin and departing the same day on oneworld flights, you’ll have access to the Admirals CLubs at DFW (terminals A, B, C). As you haven’t said when you’re doing this, we can’t know if the D Flagship Lounge and Admirals Club would be open or not; they’re currently closed.
Mar 14, 2019, 5:27 am
#111
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As you’re arriving in a qualifying service cabin and departing the same day on oneworld flights, you’ll have access to the Admirals CLubs at DFW (terminals A, B, C). As you haven’t said when you’re doing this, we can’t know if the D Flagship Lounge and Admirals Club would be open or not; they’re currently closed.
Mar 14, 2019, 1:38 pm
#112
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 18
As you’re arriving in a qualifying service cabin and departing the same day on oneworld flights, you’ll have access to the Admirals CLubs at DFW (terminals A, B, C). As you haven’t said when you’re doing this, we can’t know if the D Flagship Lounge and Admirals Club would be open or not; they’re currently closed.
Mar 14, 2019, 3:24 pm
#113
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You get access because of your Business or First on a qualifying airline, flight and class (Q Suites on QR DOH-DFW, marketed and operated by a oneworld airline), and departing by 0600 the next day on another oneworld marketed and operated flight regardless of service class. If DFW had its Flagship Lounge open, which it doesn’t yet, that flight would allow you to access it under AA rules.
Link to one world lounge access policy
Link to American Airkines Flagship Lounge access policy
Mar 15, 2019, 11:16 am
#114
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Location: Sun Prairie, WI
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I’ll be traveling with my wife, our two kids (5 & 2) and my mother. I have access to the AC via my AA Citi
Card. My wife is an authorized user and has her own card which gains access. Since we both have cards can we each bring in two guests - in this case our two kids and my mother? Or is my wife considered one of my guests?
Card. My wife is an authorized user and has her own card which gains access. Since we both have cards can we each bring in two guests - in this case our two kids and my mother? Or is my wife considered one of my guests?
Mar 15, 2019, 11:19 am
#115
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 1,285
I’ll be traveling with my wife, our two kids (5 & 2) and my mother. I have access to the AC via my AA Citi
Card. My wife is an authorized user and has her own card which gains access. Since we both have cards can we each bring in two guests - in this case our two kids and my mother? Or is my wife considered one of my guests?
Card. My wife is an authorized user and has her own card which gains access. Since we both have cards can we each bring in two guests - in this case our two kids and my mother? Or is my wife considered one of my guests?
Mar 18, 2019, 4:05 pm
#116
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 34
I'm an Executive Platinum flying DPS-HKG-LAX-MIA in First on CX/CX/AA. My HKG-LAX flight arrives at 11pm and my LAX-MIA (3-cabin First) departs at 1pm the next day, will I have access to QF First or FL at LAX?
Edit: My HKG-LAX flight departs 6-Sep just after midnight and arrives 5-Sep just before midnight, while my LAX-MIA departs 6-Sep as well. So how does the same-day condition work on this itinerary?
Edit: My HKG-LAX flight departs 6-Sep just after midnight and arrives 5-Sep just before midnight, while my LAX-MIA departs 6-Sep as well. So how does the same-day condition work on this itinerary?
Last edited by flytalker18; Mar 18, 2019 at 4:08 pm Reason: added complication
Mar 19, 2019, 2:30 pm
#117
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Unfortunately it doesn't.
The MIA flight needs to depart before 6am for the 'same day' condition to work.
Maybe you'll have success on the EXP "International Itinerary" provision but that is subject to interpretation.
You can pleasantly try at the Qantas First lounge but they are rather strict. You may have more chance at the T4 F/L.
https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...hip-lounge.jsp
The MIA flight needs to depart before 6am for the 'same day' condition to work.
Maybe you'll have success on the EXP "International Itinerary" provision but that is subject to interpretation.
You can pleasantly try at the Qantas First lounge but they are rather strict. You may have more chance at the T4 F/L.
https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...hip-lounge.jsp
Mar 19, 2019, 2:59 pm
#118
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I'm an Executive Platinum flying DPS-HKG-LAX-MIA in First on CX/CX/AA. My HKG-LAX flight arrives at 11pm and my LAX-MIA (3-cabin First) departs at 1pm the next day, will I have access to QF First or FL at LAX?
Edit: My HKG-LAX flight departs 6-Sep just after midnight and arrives 5-Sep just before midnight, while my LAX-MIA departs 6-Sep as well. So how does the same-day condition work on this itinerary?
Edit: My HKG-LAX flight departs 6-Sep just after midnight and arrives 5-Sep just before midnight, while my LAX-MIA departs 6-Sep as well. So how does the same-day condition work on this itinerary?
However, in my experience many agents are confused by this rule, many think as long as the qualifying flight is within 24 hours or on the same reservation, etc. I would certainly give it a try. When you enter the lounge, show them your CX boarding pass first and say something like "I'm coming from HKG...". And agree with the above in that your chances of success are probably better at the AA FL over the QF F lounge, especially as your connecting flight is LAX-MIA in F.
Mar 19, 2019, 4:03 pm
#119
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I'm an Executive Platinum flying DPS-HKG-LAX-MIA in First on CX/CX/AA. My HKG-LAX flight arrives at 11pm and my LAX-MIA (3-cabin First) departs at 1pm the next day, will I have access to QF First or FL at LAX?
Edit: My HKG-LAX flight departs 6-Sep just after midnight and arrives 5-Sep just before midnight, while my LAX-MIA departs 6-Sep as well. So how does the same-day condition work on this itinerary?
Edit: My HKG-LAX flight departs 6-Sep just after midnight and arrives 5-Sep just before midnight, while my LAX-MIA departs 6-Sep as well. So how does the same-day condition work on this itinerary?
Mar 19, 2019, 4:50 pm
#120
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I'm an Executive Platinum flying DPS-HKG-LAX-MIA in First on CX/CX/AA. My HKG-LAX flight arrives at 11pm and my LAX-MIA (3-cabin First) departs at 1pm the next day, will I have access to QF First or FL at LAX?
Edit: My HKG-LAX flight departs 6-Sep just after midnight and arrives 5-Sep just before midnight, while my LAX-MIA departs 6-Sep as well. So how does the same-day condition work on this itinerary?
Edit: My HKG-LAX flight departs 6-Sep just after midnight and arrives 5-Sep just before midnight, while my LAX-MIA departs 6-Sep as well. So how does the same-day condition work on this itinerary?
