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Old Jul 7, 19, 8:49 am
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Originally Posted by botham View Post
I have managed to buy two bargain seats in F from LHR to MIA. We’ll stay overnight at MIA, then.....

I am looking to book two award seats from MIA to CUN next March. Currently there is only availability in Economy. Will this be the standard or basic Economy? Are J seats likely to become available.

I have 15k expired points high I can buy back for about $150. Is it worth it, but I would use my BA miles for the tickets. The revenue tickets are a whopping £637 for J.

Are flights to the Caribbean considered to be domestic and if so, how long in advance to arrive at airport.

The flight block time is under two hours. I’d secure an economy seat and select my preference.

$150 for 15,000 miles is okay if you have use for them.

Flights to Mexico and the Caribbean other than to U. S. territories are international flights.
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Old Jul 7, 19, 9:24 am
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I never really caught on to this Basic Economy thing and I'm kind of glad I didn't. My wife travels with me quite a bit when I have business trips and we can find fares that aren't outrageous. She has done so much traveling by my side in addition to our vacations that she, like me, is Executive Platinum.

When I do this, I find what I want, send it to a TA, and he books for us. Recently, I had a trip to NJ. I found some fares on fareboom.com that was for class S or L or something according to Fareboom but the fare basis was Q3UZNB3. He told me that the "B" indicates that it was Basic Economy. I do not doubt him so we booked a much higher fare (it was ~$180 more if I remember right).
I'm providing a bit of background to lead up to my question - how the heck do you determine if it is, in fact, Basic Economy? If the class is not B and nothing on fareboom said Basic Economy (I read 3 times carefully to be sure), how on earth do you know? Is Fare Basis the only way? I had no idea you could book an N or S and still be in BE?
He explained it a bit but I still don't get it. thanks IA.
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Old Jul 7, 19, 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Whodunit68 View Post
I never really caught on to this Basic Economy thing and I'm kind of glad I didn't. My wife travels with me quite a bit when I have business trips and we can find fares that aren't outrageous. She has done so much traveling by my side in addition to our vacations that she, like me, is Executive Platinum.

When I do this, I find what I want, send it to a TA, and he books for us. Recently, I had a trip to NJ. I found some fares on fareboom.com that was for class S or L or something according to Fareboom but the fare basis was Q3UZNB3. He told me that the "B" indicates that it was Basic Economy. I do not doubt him so we booked a much higher fare (it was ~$180 more if I remember right).
I'm providing a bit of background to lead up to my question - how the heck do you determine if it is, in fact, Basic Economy? If the class is not B and nothing on fareboom said Basic Economy (I read 3 times carefully to be sure), how on earth do you know? Is Fare Basis the only way? I had no idea you could book an N or S and still be in BE?
He explained it a bit but I still don't get it. thanks IA.
I thought BE always books into B, meaning that the fare basis code starts with B. So like you, I am confused that a N or S fare would be basic economy.
After doing some playing around on AA's website and looking at detailed fare rules, it does appear that basic economy can book into any economy fare code (N, Q, V, etc.). It does look like the penultimate character of the fare basis is always B.

In any event, I would have done a search on AA.com and compared prices. In my experience, BE is usually (although not always) about $35 less expensive per way than a regular economy ticket. If BE is significantly less expensive, it might be worth it to book it anyways and pay for seat assignments. As an EXP, you keep your boarding priority and checked luggage benefits. You do lose the extra EQM and upgrade chances. Although how much is (the ever decreasing chance of) an upgrade on domestic flights worth these days? Not very much in my book.

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Old Jul 7, 19, 4:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Whodunit68 View Post
how the heck do you determine if it is, in fact, Basic Economy? If the class is not B and nothing on fareboom said Basic Economy (I read 3 times carefully to be sure), how on earth do you know? Is Fare Basis the only way? I had no idea you could book an N or S and still be in BE?
He explained it a bit but I still don't get it. thanks IA.
Originally Posted by flyingeph12 View Post
I thought BE always books into B, meaning that the fare basis code starts with B. So like you, I am confused that a N or S fare would be basic economy.
After doing some playing around on AA's website and looking at detailed fare rules, it does appear that basic economy can book into any economy fare code (N, Q, V, etc.). It does look like the penultimate character of the fare basis is always B.
Basic Economy always books into B, but it is what's referred to as a dual booking class fare. The fare is determined by availability of B class (which is generally, but not always unlimited if the route offers Basic Economy), as well as another booking class (N,Q,V, etc.). A fare basis of Q3UZNB3 represents a Basic Economy "branded" fare that requires both Q and B classes to be available for sale at the time the reservation is made. This is not dissimilar to an instant upgrade fare. Purchasing a ticket with a fare basis of KVEUPNIF allows the passenger to be booked in I class (first class on domestic flights), provided both K and I classes are available at the time the reservation is made.

AA.com always presents its fare brands in a very clear fashion, and a travel agent is provided with tools to efficiently include/exclude and identify BE fares when using Sabre or other GDS. When it comes to OTAs and the translation of GDS-provided information to the passenger on the OTAs proprietary website, it's up to the OTA to ensure information is accurately communicated to the passenger. If you are able to reserve advance seats (and they stick after ticketing and you pull up the itinerary in AA.com), you are probably safe to assume you have purchased a Main Cabin fare. Be aware, though, that some OTAs will allow you to "request" seats even if the fare or your status do not allow the relevant seat assignment (some will even charge you)--these seats are unlikely to be confirmed if the fare does not qualify.

Last, generally, Basic Ecomomy does come with a $25 $30 $35 discount to the lowest Main Cabin branded fare available at the time of purchase, but there are (perhaps increasing) instances where this is not the case, and sometimes BE is not offered at all. I have seen last minute BE fares on MIA-LAX for $69 when the lowest Main Cabin fare is over $400 one-way. AA does this so it can compete with LCCs in the south Florida market while protecting yields on tickets sold business travelers and other loyalty focused passengers (i.e., EXPs, upgraders, etc). I don't see a massive differential often, but it does occur.

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Old Jul 7, 19, 4:36 pm
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Originally Posted by NYC Flyer View Post
Basic Economy always books into B, but it is what's referred to as a dual booking class fare. The fare is determined by availability of B class (which is generally, but not always unlimited if the route offers Basic Economy), as well as another booking class (N,Q,V, etc.). A fare basis of Q3UZNB3 represents a Basic Economy "branded" fare that requires both Q and B classes to be available for sale at the time the reservation is made. This is not dissimilar to an instant upgrade fare. Purchasing a ticket with a fare basis of KVEUPNIF allows the passenger to be booked in I class (first class on domestic flights), provided both K and I classes are available at the time the reservation is made.

AA.com always presents fare its brands in a very clear fashion, and a travel agent is provided with tools to efficiently include/exclude and identify BE fares when using Sabre or other GDS. When it comes to OTAs and the translation of GDS-provided information to the passenger in on the OTAs proprietary website, it's up to the OTA to ensure information is accurately communicated to the passenger. If you are able to reserve advance seats (and they stick after ticketing and you pull up the itinerary in AA.com), you are probably safe to assume you have purchased a main cabin fare. Be aware, though, that some OTAs will allow you to "request" seats even if the fare or your status do not allow the relevant seat assignment (some will even charge you)--these seats are unlikely to be confirmed if the fare does not qualify.

Last, generally, Basic Ecomomy does come with a $25 $30 $35 discount to the lowest Main Cabin branded fare available at the time of purchase, but there are (perhaps increasing) instances where this is not the case, and sometimes BE is not offered at all. I have seen last minute BE fares on MIA-LAX for $69 when the lowest Main Cabin fare is over $400 one-way. AA does this so it can compete with LCCs in the south Floriday market while protecting yields on tickets sold business travelers and other loyalty focused passengers (i.e., EXPs, upgraders, etc). I don't see a massive differential often, but it does occur.
Thank you for the detailed explanation.
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Old Jul 8, 19, 5:11 am
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Originally Posted by NYC Flyer View Post
Thanks, NYC Flyer, for taking the time to explain in great detail. You may know the TA to whom I referred .....
I was hoping to avoid asking you the question again but I think your response will help a lot of people so thanks again for your generous sharing of your time and knowledge.
NYC Flyer won't plug himself as a TA but I can - he's been a great help to us!
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Old Jul 8, 19, 9:51 am
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Lax Bos AA2455

I am booked on the above on 22nd July but have received notification that it has been cancelled. The A321T flights are going to be stopped in Sept, is this flight being stopped early ?
I was to be connecting to BA daytime flight but I canít see a suitable overnight flight.
will AA book a daytime flight and pay for a hotel ?
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Old Jul 8, 19, 10:02 am
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Originally Posted by PIKnic View Post
I am booked on the above on 22nd July but have received notification that it has been cancelled. The A321T flights are going to be stopped in Sept, is this flight being stopped early ?
I was to be connecting to BA daytime flight but I canít see a suitable overnight flight.
will AA book a daytime flight and pay for a hotel ?
You will be able to change the flight but will not get recompense for a hotel stay.
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Old Jul 8, 19, 10:06 am
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Originally Posted by PIKnic View Post
I am booked on the above on 22nd July but have received notification that it has been cancelled. The A321T flights are going to be stopped in Sept, is this flight being stopped early ?
I was to be connecting to BA daytime flight but I canít see a suitable overnight flight.
will AA book a daytime flight and pay for a hotel ?
AA will not cover any hotel expenses that you may incur as a result of schedule changes.

But flying LAX-LHR you have lots of options, just do your homework, research what works the best, then call AA to switch (which will be free of charge since an AA schedule change caused your issue). Obviously you can ask for one of the LAX-LHR nonstops, or if you were intentionally trying to leave late and connect to a daytime flight on the east coast, LAX-JFK-LHR?
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Old Jul 8, 19, 10:20 am
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Thank you the replies. I had been wanting to try the daytime trans Atlantic flights and the tier points would be helpful in J. If I go direct would I be able to look for ORC ?
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Old Jul 8, 19, 10:40 am
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Originally Posted by PIKnic View Post
Thank you the replies. I had been wanting to try the daytime trans Atlantic flights and the tier points would be helpful in J. If I go direct would I be able to look for ORC ?
Since you are crediting to BA, whether you could try to claim ORC would be a question for the BA forum. If you're looking to try a daytime flight then I would just pick a LAX-JFK-LHR routing that works the best. AA typically operates 2-3 LAX-JFK redeye's.
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Old Jul 8, 19, 12:39 pm
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Originally Posted by PIKnic View Post
Thank you the replies. I had been wanting to try the daytime trans Atlantic flights and the tier points would be helpful in J. If I go direct would I be able to look for ORC ?
I doubt that you will get ORC for a voluntary change of route if there are options on the original route but there would be no harm in asking should you choose the direct flight. You won't get a straight answer until afterwards though.
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Old Jul 8, 19, 4:19 pm
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September insight

For the past 9 months, I have been tracking J milesaver flights from the eastern US to LHR for a planned trip in September. There really has been nothing released other than BA and some awkward routings (stop in DUB, MAN, ZUR, etc.). Iíve seen lots of milesaver availability for this summer, and the AAnytime fares through the end of August are 110K for many dates. But, for September, itís next to impossible to find anything less than 135K. Does anyone have any insight when we may begin to see saver rates for the fall?
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Old Jul 8, 19, 10:24 pm
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A friend of mine posted this topic on another forum and I wanted to see if I can get him an answer since I donít know.

I have read the rules/feeís according to searches and post. In regards to a AA award flight on one world . From JFK-DFW-NRT-DLC ( jfk -dfw is on AA) and the rest on JAL. Question is if I change routing letís say from JFK-NRT-DLC( all JAL) it is okay right because origin/destination is still the same . Will there be any other fee besides , a close in fee $75 and a difference in miles /taxes if I upgrade to a higher class.
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Old Jul 9, 19, 4:53 am
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Originally Posted by Shadowfactor View Post
A friend of mine posted this topic on another forum and I wanted to see if I can get him an answer since I donít know.

I have read the rules/feeís according to searches and post. In regards to a AA award flight on one world . From JFK-DFW-NRT-DLC ( jfk -dfw is on AA) and the rest on JAL. Question is if I change routing letís say from JFK-NRT-DLC( all JAL) it is okay right because origin/destination is still the same . Will there be any other fee besides , a close in fee $75 and a difference in miles /taxes if I upgrade to a higher class.
No fee since the origin and destination remain the same and all carriers remain within oneworld. You also would not pay the close in booking fee unless you change it to a travel date that is within 21 days of the original ticketing date (of the original routing).
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