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JDiver Dec 29, 19 9:33 pm


Originally Posted by ZBigFam (Post 31887266)
Hi all, newbie so please be patient with me. Am on a challenge as per the above. Couple of questions:

1. Any other help out there or tips on how to complete this as economically as possible? Best I can figure is flights in premium economy on BA out of ORD into JNB or DXB.
2. Second question, let's say I qualify for exec plat in 2020 by flying Cathay which isn't a named partner on my challenge. That means I miss my challenge but I qualify for exec plat in 2021, but what does that mean for 2020? Will I still get exec plat in 2020? Hope that makes sense.

You can use AA joint business partners to make a Challenge. Premium Economy on partners is often the best route for challenges.

For regular status you can use any airline that offers flights that qualify for the EQD-EQM/EQS required. If you earn the required instruments during 2020, your status will persist through the remainder of 2020 and all of the 2021 status year.

ZBigFam Dec 29, 19 11:32 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 31887918)
You can use AA joint business partners to make a Challenge. Premium Economy on partners is often the best route for challenges.

For regular status you can use any airline that offers flights that qualify for the EQD-EQM/EQS required. If you earn the required instruments during 2020, your status will persist through the remainder of 2020 and all of the 2021 status year.

Thanks, for me then I will probably qual on CX prem economy even though it's excluded from my challenge (specified in the email from AA)

JJeffrey Dec 30, 19 5:37 am


Originally Posted by ChuckieB (Post 31887114)
Hi, folks. About to take my first AA flight in many years PHL-MAN-AUH-CMB-AUH-CDG-PHl, purchased from AA by my travel agency.

I have a mix of flights: I class on AA, W class on EY. Only the TLANT legs are on AA metal/flight number, the EY legs have EY flight numbers/metal. If I'm reading the AA page correctly I'm going to get 0 EQM and 100% miles flown for those EY legs, is that correct?

If necessary to get credit for the EY legs, does anyone know if AA will reticket me onto AA flight numbers w/o a change in fare?

Thanks for any help you can provide.

AA does not codeshare on EY flights, so your only option is the EY flight number that you're currently booked on. Correct you will earn a few RDM based on distance but no EQM.

CGRA Dec 30, 19 9:00 am

Odd SWU and expertflyer

Used a SWU for LAX-MIA-LHR that will fly in a couple of week
'C' inventory was available on MIA-LHR at the time of booking so I take the risk for the LAX-MIA

I checked my booking randomly on the app last week and see that the LAX-MIA has been upgraded

However
- I did put an expert flyer alert for C (1 or more) and never received an alter (and it's currently C0)
- On the "upgrade" section of the app for this booking , I still see "on request" for this leg

Does an upgrade can clear without C inventory ? or it was expert flyer who didn't send me a notification ?

I spoke with a very nice agent on the phone couple of week ago and asked her for the cost to pay for F for this leg and she suggested not to do it as my chance of being upgraded are good (of course it's wide open in all fare classes, look like they just open the flight :o)
Is it possible that a phone agent upgrade someone ? Especially for a non VIP / non CK.
I was surprised to find this kind of very nice agent and probably this is just a coincidence as I'm rarely upgraded especially 2 weeks prior to the flight. (I didn't put an alert on my Y seat so I don't know when the upgrade cleared)

JJeffrey Dec 30, 19 11:59 am


Originally Posted by CGRA (Post 31889210)
Odd SWU and expertflyer

Used a SWU for LAX-MIA-LHR that will fly in a couple of week
'C' inventory was available on MIA-LHR at the time of booking so I take the risk for the LAX-MIA

I checked my booking randomly on the app last week and see that the LAX-MIA has been upgraded

However
- I did put an expert flyer alert for C (1 or more) and never received an alter (and it's currently C0)
- On the "upgrade" section of the app for this booking , I still see "on request" for this leg

Does an upgrade can clear without C inventory ? or it was expert flyer who didn't send me a notification ?

I spoke with a very nice agent on the phone couple of week ago and asked her for the cost to pay for F for this leg and she suggested not to do it as my chance of being upgraded are good (of course it's wide open in all fare classes, look like they just open the flight :o)
Is it possible that a phone agent upgrade someone ? Especially for a non VIP / non CK.
I was surprised to find this kind of very nice agent and probably this is just a coincidence as I'm rarely upgraded especially 2 weeks prior to the flight. (I didn't put an alert on my Y seat so I don't know when the upgrade cleared)

EF does not search continuously, but rather in batches, so it's very common for an upgrade to clear without receiving an EF notification. Basically depending on the timing AA can release C space and upgrade you in between when EF performs it's batch searches, so it appears as though C space was never released.

As to why aa.com showed your upgrade requested when it already cleared, that will change to "confirmed" once you call and have it fully re-ticketed in business.

backprop Dec 30, 19 12:17 pm

Hello - I found a business class web special award on AA.com. When I proceed to flight selection and choose a flight, it allows me to select the web special or the "regular" miles price...for each leg of the journey.

If I select a "regular" miles price for the outbound leg, and a web special price for the return, would I be allowed to modify the outbound leg should a better routing open up later?

Thanks as always.

JDiver Dec 30, 19 12:33 pm


Originally Posted by backprop (Post 31889892)
Hello - I found a business class web special award on AA.com. When I proceed to flight selection and choose a flight, it allows me to select the web special or the "regular" miles price...for each leg of the journey.

If I select a "regular" miles price for the outbound leg, and a web special price for the return, would I be allowed to modify the outbound leg should a better routing open up later?

Thanks as always.

Your best bet might be to call AA - they canít charge you if you canít complete your booking online - and try to book the flight you were offered but could not ultimately book.

Award flights are all one way, regardless of whether you book them at the same time. Itís unlikely youíd be allowed to change your outbound leg if not allowed by the web special conditions.

backprop Dec 30, 19 12:45 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 31889949)
Your best bet might be to call AA - they can’t charge you if you can’t complete your booking online - and try to book the flight you were offered but could not ultimately book.

Award flights are all one way, regardless of whether you book them at the same time. It’s unlikely you’d be allowed to change your outbound leg if not allowed by the web special conditions.

Thanks for your reply. To be clear, it's perfectly possible to complete it online (outbound "regular" pricing, inbound "web special" pricing, or vice versa). I do get what you're saying I think, given that awards are technically one way way. I completed the selections and now see the following verbiage (toward the bottom):

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...8266767396.png


If I booked web special both ways, it would be 84,000 miles (42,000 x 2). But since I chose a 'regular' price on the return, it correctly calculates the one-way portion of each type and adds it together.

But even if I do that, it appears as though any portion of the itinerary booked as a "web special" precludes changes to any other part of the itinerary...at least based upon the wording. Even if the part I want to change was booked as "flexible" aka non web-special. I wonder if anyone has had a different experience.

JDiver Dec 30, 19 12:51 pm


Originally Posted by backprop (Post 31889979)
Thanks for your reply. To be clear, it's perfectly possible to complete it online (outbound "regular" pricing, inbound "web special" pricing, or vice versa). I do get what you're saying I think, given that awards are technically one way way. I completed the selections and now see the following verbiage (toward the bottom):
...

If I booked web special both ways, it would be 84,000 miles (42,000 x 2). But since I chose a 'regular' price on the return, it correctly calculates the one-way portion of each type and adds it together.

But even if I do that, it appears as though any portion of the itinerary booked as a "web special" precludes changes to the entire itinerary...at least based upon the wording. I wonder if anyone has had a different experience.

Ah! Book them separately, no problem effectuation any changes possible for regular SAAver tickets.

AA often requires the most restrictive conditions apply to all segments of multi-fare flights, so this isn’t surprising. But — I don’t know for sure if this applies to web specials bought in conjunction with regular awards.

ZBigFam Dec 30, 19 1:03 pm

Am trying to book a JAL flight on Amex IAP as part of my challenge, problem is when I am trying to book it doesn't give me an option to enter my AAdvantage number. It only gives me the ability to enter a JAL number. Am obviously leery of booking and not getting my AA credit. Can anyone help me with this?

Edit-i entered my ffn on the JAL site through manage booking option and I called in to JAL and they confirmed that my accruals will map to AA. In case there are other newbies out there.

So the JAL flight details say accumulating miles are : 23.153 and this books into business X, does that mean that for American eqms I would earn 46k (23*2) and for eqds I would earn 5.7k (.25*23153)?

Edit-so I called JAL and they said the accumulating miles only applied to JAL customers crediting to JAL, and that the actual distance in total is closer to 16k.

So now my calc is 16k*2= 32k for eqm and 16k*.25=4k eqd. Question now is how is the cabin bonus of 25% applied? Will that help boost my totals higher?

Thanks for all your patience everyone.

CGRA Dec 30, 19 2:34 pm


Originally Posted by JJeffrey (Post 31889838)
EF does not search continuously, but rather in batches, so it's very common for an upgrade to clear without receiving an EF notification. Basically depending on the timing AA can release C space and upgrade you in between when EF performs it's batch searches, so it appears as though C space was never released.

As to why aa.com showed your upgrade requested when it already cleared, that will change to "confirmed" once you call and have it fully re-ticketed in business.

Thank you very much.
I have read on tpg that expert flyer will notify you before the upgrade are processed by aa so tpg is not correct.

I did found C1 on a flight that I was waitlisted but by the time I called it was gone (probably to someone higher on the waitlist).
If I have called immediately upon release of the C would have been able to be upgraded before other people on the wait list ??

backprop Dec 30, 19 2:39 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 31890003)
Ah! Book them separately, no problem effectuation any changes possible for regular SAAver tickets.

AA often requires the most restrictive conditions apply to all segments of multi-fare flights, so this isnít surprising. But ó I donít know for sure if this applies to web specials bought in conjunction with regular awards.

Thanks for the advice.. I'm weighing separate bookings. There's a chance I'd have to cancel the whole thing. No status so I'd pay an extra $150 for redeposit. Otherwise would be a no brainer.

SpammersAreScum Dec 30, 19 6:29 pm


Originally Posted by ZBigFam (Post 31890053)
Am trying to book a JAL flight on Amex IAP as part of my challenge, problem is when I am trying to book it doesn't give me an option to enter my AAdvantage number. It only gives me the ability to enter a JAL number. Am obviously leery of booking and not getting my AA credit. Can anyone help me with this?

Edit-i entered my ffn on the JAL site through manage booking option and I called in to JAL and they confirmed that my accruals will map to AA. In case there are other newbies out there.

So the JAL flight details say accumulating miles are : 23.153 and this books into business X, does that mean that for American eqms I would earn 46k (23*2) and for eqds I would earn 5.7k (.25*23153)?

Edit-so I called JAL and they said the accumulating miles only applied to JAL customers crediting to JAL, and that the actual distance in total is closer to 16k.

So now my calc is 16k*2= 32k for eqm and 16k*.25=4k eqd. Question now is how is the cabin bonus of 25% applied? Will that help boost my totals higher?

Thanks for all your patience everyone.

The best way to figure out if 16k is correct would be to feed your JL flight route to a tool such as Great Circle Mapper..

The "cabin bonus" applies to your award miles, not EQM or EQD. It gets added to your status bonus, which would be 120% if you're Executive Platinum. So 16k (1 + .25 + 1.20) = 39.2k award miles, assuming that 16k was correct.

ZBigFam Dec 30, 19 7:05 pm


Originally Posted by SpammersAreScum (Post 31891002)
The best way to figure out if 16k is correct would be to feed your JL flight route to a tool such as Great Circle Mapper..

The "cabin bonus" applies to your award miles, not EQM or EQD. It gets added to your status bonus, which would be 120% if you're Executive Platinum. So 16k (1 + .25 + 1.20) = 39.2k award miles, assuming that 16k was correct.

Thanks for the answer I had been googling and couldn't find anything on cabin bonus

JDiver Dec 30, 19 8:12 pm

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Originally Posted by ZBigFam (Post 31891113)
Thanks for the answer I had been googling and couldn't find anything on cabin bonus

See here.

ZBigFam Dec 30, 19 8:51 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 31891259)
See here.

I had seen that but I guess I'm dense, couldn't figure out how the cabin bonus came into play. Thanks for the help nonetheless.

JJeffrey Dec 31, 19 7:40 am


Originally Posted by CGRA (Post 31890316)
Thank you very much.
I have read on tpg that expert flyer will notify you before the upgrade are processed by aa so tpg is not correct.

I did found C1 on a flight that I was waitlisted but by the time I called it was gone (probably to someone higher on the waitlist).
If I have called immediately upon release of the C would have been able to be upgraded before other people on the wait list ??

Well it certainly can happen where you get an EF notification before the waitlist processes, but it can also go the other way where it processes without ever receiving an EF notification. Again it's really just random luck of the draw depending on the timing of when AA releases C space vs. the EF batch search process.

If you are waitlisted for a flight and receive an EF notification, when you call AA some agents will not process the upgrade and tell you to wait for the waitlist to process, while others will upgrade you immediately (potentially jumping the queue, yes).

CGRA Dec 31, 19 2:45 pm


Originally Posted by JJeffrey (Post 31892630)
Well it certainly can happen where you get an EF notification before the waitlist processes, but it can also go the other way where it processes without ever receiving an EF notification. Again it's really just random luck of the draw depending on the timing of when AA releases C space vs. the EF batch search process.

If you are waitlisted for a flight and receive an EF notification, when you call AA some agents will not process the upgrade and tell you to wait for the waitlist to process, while others will upgrade you immediately (potentially jumping the queue, yes).

thank you very much for the info. I was surprised but pleased to see an upgrade cleared that early.


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