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saltytheseagull Dec 31, 2018 10:30 am

It's incredible how AA still cannot run these flights consistently on time.

UKtravelbear Dec 31, 2018 10:41 am


Originally Posted by saltytheseagull (Post 30591785)
It's incredible how AA still cannot run these flights consistently on time.

Stuff happens such as weather or mechanical that stops a 100% on time performance.

JDiver Dec 31, 2018 10:46 am

Of course, the end of the month is a tough time as crew run out of hours.

pauleeepaul Dec 31, 2018 12:40 pm

Put a flight alert on your email and check your phone every half hour or so. Even if they reduce the delay given the long haul nature of the flight I would be comfortable that there would be enough advance notice for you to cut short the visit to the centre and get back to the airport to make it given you won't need to to check in, check luggage, etc.

3Cforme Dec 31, 2018 12:55 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 30591850)
Of course, the end of the month is a tough time as crew run out of hours.

I believe the calendar month constraint has been replaced by a rolling 28-day constraint.

Sorry if there's something newer. This is from May '13.

A flightcrew member is limited to 100 hours of flight time in 672 consecutive hours (28 days). This is a “rolling” 672 hours and replaces the former requirements of 100 hours in any calendar month and the former monthly and quarterly limits for international augmented operations.

http://www3.alpa.org/portals/alpa/co...quirements.pdf

flightrisk Dec 31, 2018 4:35 pm

Thanks everyone, lots of useful information in here! I called AA and they said the crew is known and the delay is definite, and unprompted said “it’s not like they’re going to find a new crew.”

Barring any last minute issues, I think I’ll take the chance and I’m familiar enough with HK that it shouldn’t ever be more than one hour from the gate.

By the way, in typical AA IT fashion, I tried creating an alert on aa.com as suggested and it created an alert for the 12/31 flight that was delayed 15 hours over the new year to 1/1. That flight finally departed and now the system gives an error creating alerts. There doesn’t appear to be any way to force the system to create an alert for the actual aa126 originally scheduled for 1/1.

Happy New Years everyone!

jordyn Jan 1, 2019 8:54 am


Originally Posted by reeg2 (Post 30591647)
Actually, no. This isn't even remotely related to having an issue that prevented OP from making a flight.

Sure it is. Airline said that the flight was delayed, OP relied on that information, so they were late. I don't know why you think that would be more upsetting to AA than an actual flat tire or think this would be a particularly abusive invocation of the rule.


It'd just be a lie - there's no need for ethical gymnastics.
Huh? Who would be lying? The flat tire rule doesn't require an actual flat tire. Just show up to the airport within two hours of the original flight time and say you thought the flight was delayed and I'd be very surprised if there would be any problem at all.

Having said that, the rule is not very useful if there's no later flights that day since it just allows you to standby later the same day. In practice, though, I've had agents just confirm me on flights later the same day or even the next day. Not sure how much discretion they have these days, though.

Herb687 Jan 1, 2019 9:22 am


Originally Posted by LarryJ (Post 30591748)
With the (relatively) new 14 CFR 117 flight and duty limitation rules, at least for pilots, we all pretty much fly to the regulation. There are very few additional restrictions added by the union contracts as 14 CFR 117 is, in most cases, more restrictive.

Are you familiar with the current AA/APA contract? I know back in the day when sideletters had to be negotiated to support what was then new ultra-long range flying for AA beyond the scope of the then current contract, there were some VERY generous layover time provisions in those sideletter agreements.

Although I don't remember any of them being as generous as QF flight attendants' contractual right to at least 72-hour layovers when working SYD-LAX/SFO.

Back to the overall theme of this thread though, I'm surprised at the amount of advice on this thread suggesting that OP need worry that AA might pull forward a posted crew rest delay at a spoke station that gets two flights a day and is located 15 hours flying time from the nearest AA crew base. Think through how airlines really work, folks.

If there is any delay that is safe to assume accurate, it's the one posted by OP.

HofstraJet Jan 1, 2019 1:46 pm

FWIW, flight left 2 hours late. Plane was the 12/30 AA193 LAX-HKG.

HLCinCOU Jan 1, 2019 6:50 pm


Originally Posted by HofstraJet (Post 30596268)
FWIW, flight left 2 hours late. Plane was the 12/30 AA193 LAX-HKG.

LIB. MR Ducks.

Uncle Nonny Jan 1, 2019 7:15 pm


Originally Posted by Herb687 (Post 30595345)
Are you familiar with the current AA/APA contract? I know back in the day when sideletters had to be negotiated to support what was then new ultra-long range flying for AA beyond the scope of the then current contract, there were some VERY generous layover time provisions in those sideletter agreements.

Although I don't remember any of them being as generous as QF flight attendants' contractual right to at least 72-hour layovers when working SYD-LAX/SFO.

Back to the overall theme of this thread though, I'm surprised at the amount of advice on this thread suggesting that OP need worry that AA might pull forward a posted crew rest delay at a spoke station that gets two flights a day and is located 15 hours flying time from the nearest AA crew base. Think through how airlines really work, folks.

If there is any delay that is safe to assume accurate, it's the one posted by OP.

Don't FAs only get paid for flight time? If so, why would you want 40 hrs of rest time when you can be earning money?

flightrisk Jan 1, 2019 7:57 pm


Originally Posted by HofstraJet (Post 30596268)
FWIW, flight left 2 hours late. Plane was the 12/30 AA193 LAX-HKG.

Right, the aircraft came from LAX, but the crew came from the 12/29 AA125 DFW-HKG which arrived at 136a on 12/31. AA126 departed on 1/1 at 545p, which seems to be 40 hours to me. I asked one of the FAs, and she said they were all replacement reserve FAs for the 12/29 flight since the original crew timed out, and thought she had 38 rest hours.

Too tired to totally understand, but thought it was interesting info.


LarryJ Jan 2, 2019 8:10 am


Originally Posted by Uncle Nonny (Post 30597231)
Don't FAs only get paid for flight time? If so, why would you want 40 hrs of rest time when you can be earning money?

Exactly. Same for pilots.

There are minimums per day, or per hour on duty or away from base, called rigs. When you fly trips that only pay rig (the 'hard time' is less than the 'rig time') you end up flying more days per month to make the same pay. The more productive trips will go more senior as they allow you to make more money in fewer days of work.

SkyTeam777 Jun 21, 2022 2:32 pm

EF is listing a delay I have due to “crew availability,” which sounds like an AA issue. Even if weather, they should have enough crew. I’m going to misconnect. Does AA cover hotels for EPs/CKs in this situation?

jayer Jun 21, 2022 8:49 pm


EF is listing a delay I have due to “crew availability,” which sounds like an AA issue. Even if weather, they should have enough crew. I’m going to misconnect. Does AA cover hotels for EPs/CKs in this situation?
Theoretically yes for everyone from CK to peasant if not weather. But the good old days of getting the four-star on-airport hotel are over. Not to mention they run out of vouchers, and "weather" elsewhere counts. Let us know where they offer you.


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