Compensation for AA breaking my mobility device
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I would not second guess OP's choice as OP had to lay out the funds without knowing whether they would be recovered.
The fact remains that this is the only recoverable expense and OP is welcome to document it for AA and seek it instead of the voucher for $350. Whether $200 cash or $350 voucher is "better" and subjective.
The fact remains that this is the only recoverable expense and OP is welcome to document it for AA and seek it instead of the voucher for $350. Whether $200 cash or $350 voucher is "better" and subjective.
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I would not second guess OP's choice as OP had to lay out the funds without knowing whether they would be recovered.
The fact remains that this is the only recoverable expense and OP is welcome to document it for AA and seek it instead of the voucher for $350. Whether $200 cash or $350 voucher is "better" and subjective.
The fact remains that this is the only recoverable expense and OP is welcome to document it for AA and seek it instead of the voucher for $350. Whether $200 cash or $350 voucher is "better" and subjective.
that said I cant help but feel that the OP thought there would be a pot of gold awaiting them for what they went thru.(not down playing it in any way) just like a car accident if the MRIs and X-rays show nothing wrong no matter the trama its not gonna yield a massive payout, yet the person went thru alot its just not something thats collectable
So the OP needs to decide which works better for them a $350 voucher or $200 check, thats if AA is even willing to agree to that, could be AA will respond we have spoken and the matter is closed, then the OPs best course would be to contact one of the news shows with a consumer advocate and hope they will take up the cause of why AA refuses to refund a proven expense that they caused and cancel the more expensive voucher that was given.
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Sure, if it had to be a home health company I can easily see that amount or more. However (and recognizing I already admitted I don't know anything about this subject), it didn't occur to me at all that it would need to be an outfit like that; honestly it still doesn't make sense to me. Seems like the job is show up, get the scooter out of the house, and perhaps help OP get into it. That doesn't sound like it requires special medical training. Why does it have to be a home health service? Liability issues? Honest question...
It does seem however, that the OP was oiut $200 and has been given a $350 voucher ; if the voucher is of no use, then perhaps push back for $200, but I suspect that AA will claim it is not liable for consequential losses
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I can understand why the person would have contacted such a company - unless knowing someone personally who he trusted to be able to help and was available , where else would the person go
It does seem however, that the OP was oiut $200 and has been given a $350 voucher ; if the voucher is of no use, then perhaps push back for $200, but I suspect that AA will claim it is not liable for consequential losses
It does seem however, that the OP was oiut $200 and has been given a $350 voucher ; if the voucher is of no use, then perhaps push back for $200, but I suspect that AA will claim it is not liable for consequential losses
Now if the OP wants a $350 check then AA can stand still, otherwise it wont be easy explaining why it wont refund the OP when AA caused the problem and its regarding a disable person. The bad PR alone will have AA exchanging the voucher for a $200 check as long as there is proof that indeed $200 was the amount paid, no proof then all bets are off even via an advocate
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I would be surprised if theere was a news outlet that would be really pushing a story that the mean AA , despite not being liable for consequential losses, gave the passenger a $350 voucher in regards to a loss by passenger of $200
There would surely need to be more to make it a story worth telling
The 1st thing though would be for the OP to tell the airline that he would like the $350 voucher replaced to $200 to compensate for costs incurred
There would surely need to be more to make it a story worth telling
The 1st thing though would be for the OP to tell the airline that he would like the $350 voucher replaced to $200 to compensate for costs incurred
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I would be surprised if theere was a news outlet that would be really pushing a story that the mean AA , despite not being liable for consequential losses, gave the passenger a $350 voucher in regards to a loss by passenger of $200
There would surely need to be more to make it a story worth telling
The 1st thing though would be for the OP to tell the airline that he would like the $350 voucher replaced to $200 to compensate for costs incurred
There would surely need to be more to make it a story worth telling
The 1st thing though would be for the OP to tell the airline that he would like the $350 voucher replaced to $200 to compensate for costs incurred
I can be wrong but that wont look to good, especially when its made known the person wants $150 less then what was given and the carrier refuses , most folks wont understand why AA wont pay out $200 instead of $350. even if AA isnt obligated to it wont be good PR. Now if the OP doesnt have any proof of the $200 payment, then AA will say we just cant payout money based on what a person says they paid, could be it didnt cost them anything or $50, had they presented a receipt we would have but the person told us a receipt doesnt exist. Most likely the advocate would have turned it down if theres no proof
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I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves here. Before we get into advocates or going to the press or whatever, these simple questions seem to be in order.
OP:
1. At this point, are you looking to trade the voucher for the $200 you spent?
2. Have you asked AA if they're willing to do that?
3. If you're looking for something other than #1 , what exactly is it?
OP:
1. At this point, are you looking to trade the voucher for the $200 you spent?
2. Have you asked AA if they're willing to do that?
3. If you're looking for something other than #1 , what exactly is it?
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I don't really think the CRO step'ed up .... orders wrong transportation, takes another hour to fix it. He should also have arranged for the help at the OP's home to fetch his own scooter.
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As to racing off to screech to "advocates" (paid bloggers) or the mainstream media, this is NYC. People are gunned down in the street and it doesn't make news. I don't see a headline such as "Airline breaks mobility scooter, but it's fixed by the rental company without charge" as generating much if anything.
The bottom line is that unless there is more OP is not telling, he has been offered more than required in the form of a voucher and as a regular flier that would generally be better than less as cash. But, since it isn't, he has not, as far as we know, even submitted his $200 receipt to AA for reimbursement.
But, perhaps the CRO should be telepathetic too and already know that OP wants the $200 in cash???
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The CRO did what the CRO is supposed to do. They are not concierges, but rather employees trained to assure that AA meets its legal requirements. Finding home health aids is not part of any AA obligation, not should it be. For all you know, the CRO did request the proper transport and it did not materialize properly.
As to racing off to screech to "advocates" (paid bloggers) or the mainstream media, this is NYC. People are gunned down in the street and it doesn't make news. I don't see a headline such as "Airline breaks mobility scooter, but it's fixed by the rental company without charge" as generating much if anything.
The bottom line is that unless there is more OP is not telling, he has been offered more than required in the form of a voucher and as a regular flier that would generally be better than less as cash. But, since it isn't, he has not, as far as we know, even submitted his $200 receipt to AA for reimbursement.
But, perhaps the CRO should be telepathetic too and already know that OP wants the $200 in cash???
As to racing off to screech to "advocates" (paid bloggers) or the mainstream media, this is NYC. People are gunned down in the street and it doesn't make news. I don't see a headline such as "Airline breaks mobility scooter, but it's fixed by the rental company without charge" as generating much if anything.
The bottom line is that unless there is more OP is not telling, he has been offered more than required in the form of a voucher and as a regular flier that would generally be better than less as cash. But, since it isn't, he has not, as far as we know, even submitted his $200 receipt to AA for reimbursement.
But, perhaps the CRO should be telepathetic too and already know that OP wants the $200 in cash???
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As to racing off to screech to "advocates" (paid bloggers) or the mainstream media, this is NYC. People are gunned down in the street and it doesn't make news. I don't see a headline such as "Airline breaks mobility scooter, but it's fixed by the rental company without charge" as generating much if anything.
The bottom line is that unless there is more OP is not telling, he has been offered more than required in the form of a voucher and as a regular flier that would generally be better than less as cash. But, since it isn't, he has not, as far as we know, even submitted his $200 receipt to AA for reimbursement.
Im a LT Plat with AA but even I would be very hard pressed to put a $350 voucher to use, havent purchased a rev tkt in years or only when it was way too cheap and not worth using up my stash of miles. Had I laid out any funds I too would rather have the $$ then a voucher for alot more value. Out of the NY area way too many better choices then AA (a/k/a Spirit IMO.
could be the OP just wanted to get more out of AA and would rather have the $350, but its not a slam dunk choice by everyone
I never mentioned getting any blogger involved nor would I. But youd be surprised what the likes of say 9 On Your Side (or whatever) takes on and they usually are successful, but its a last resort and not the 1st resort. I cant help but feel if the OP asked for the $200 with proof thats what they laid out and to CX the voucher that AA will deny it. Could be the OP already asked but felt they entitled to both then voucher and refund
I think the main problem was the OP thinking/feeling they hit the jackpot over this only to see they might have had all the winning numbers but their tkt wasnt for tonights drawing but was for the previous drawing and that they were due next to nothing rather then a jackpot
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I flew Asiana in F from JFK on the A-380, they messed up my meal (special meal, result had to go w/o eating) I never wasted my time complaining , simple reason it was on UA miles and getting any amount of Asian miles would be a total waste, Swiss sent me a voucher which would have gone to waste since I never book a LX tkt its usually a UA with a LX connection. Tried toi get the same value to use say for booking a better seat+ Denied.But I wasnt out any $$$. fwiw a UA/LX tkt was always $100s less then an all LX tkt, so sure I could have used the voucher but end up spending more then I had to
could be the OP just wanted to get more out of AA and would rather have the $350, but its not a slam dunk choice by everyone
I think the main problem was the OP thinking/feeling they hit the jackpot over this only to see they might have had all the winning numbers but their tkt wasnt for tonights drawing but was for the previous drawing and that they were due next to nothing rather then a jackpot
I think the main problem was the OP thinking/feeling they hit the jackpot over this only to see they might have had all the winning numbers but their tkt wasnt for tonights drawing but was for the previous drawing and that they were due next to nothing rather then a jackpot
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What's right? Whatever the damages were to the scooter + the cost of the home health person + transport home. If the scooter had cost $1K to repair, that would have been the right number. If it cost $0 as it did, that is the right number.
AA took care of the transport and we are left with the home health person at $200. OP has $350 in voucher. Simple decision for OP. Stick with the $350 voucher or ask AA to pay it out as $200 cash.
The rest of all of this is simply hand-wringing about an unfortunate situation.
AA took care of the transport and we are left with the home health person at $200. OP has $350 in voucher. Simple decision for OP. Stick with the $350 voucher or ask AA to pay it out as $200 cash.
The rest of all of this is simply hand-wringing about an unfortunate situation.
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What's right? Whatever the damages were to the scooter + the cost of the home health person + transport home. If the scooter had cost $1K to repair, that would have been the right number. If it cost $0 as it did, that is the right number.
AA took care of the transport and we are left with the home health person at $200. OP has $350 in voucher. Simple decision for OP. Stick with the $350 voucher or ask AA to pay it out as $200 cash.
The rest of all of this is simply hand-wringing about an unfortunate situation.
AA took care of the transport and we are left with the home health person at $200. OP has $350 in voucher. Simple decision for OP. Stick with the $350 voucher or ask AA to pay it out as $200 cash.
The rest of all of this is simply hand-wringing about an unfortunate situation.
Im not gonna say they didnt pay $200, but like most others would have thought it was alot less or $0. My gut tells me theres no proper receipt if any money was paid and maybe no way the OP can find to get one for that amount that will pass other then a written up receipt on any piece of paper = not an official receipt that AA will accept.
I think we have heard the last from the OP on this matter. But if indeed it cost him $200 I hope hes able if he wants to make an exchange with AA for a check in place of cancelling out the voucher