3 hours to transfer between IAD & DCA on "legal" ticket?
#31
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This is what I tend to call a "timebomb" ticket. If I had time to kill I might consider using it in an attempt to slam some extra legs/mileage out on the misconnect since there's so much that can go wrong...especially on a peak travel day. I'd loosely note that such is easier if you're not on a low-end coach fare...in general, if the airline fraks up on a paid premium cabin fare, you're not going to be stranded, you're likely to have the run of the place. This goes double if (for example) the misconnect is in DC and Congress is set to be out of session so the hotels are cheap.
Yes, the connection is plausibly doable if things go right and the connection is at the right time of the day. Throw in a wrong turn by an Uber driver, a lousy routing by the app, or the fact that the connection was scheduled for 1500-1800 on a weekday and the ticket "detonates".
Edit: And what I just mentioned was for a domestic ticket. The one time I had to clear immigration at IAD, I think I lost 45 minutes on the immigration front (as a US flyer with all the bells and whistles) due to them sending us over to immigration in one of those "mobile lounges", which basically meant "the whole flight goes over at the same time" (or, more properly, "nobody at the front gets over there before the last coach pax get on).
Edit 2:
-For D/D I can see this as an MCT between those two. It feels occasionally risky (per above) but at least if the inbound flight has reasonable OTP, has its act together on checked luggage, and the airline isn't trying to pull it at the peak of rush hour it seems more likely to happen.
-D/I gets touchy and is going to depend on how the airline is prepared to handle checked baggage (i.e. if they cut baggage check at T-60 or more, that could be an issue, though if they're willing to do a gate check that's another story), and I wouldn't want to risk that on a DCA-IAD transfer on the wrong flight bank based on past experience.
-I/D? I really question the MCT given the potential for immigration to go south. I'd have set it at four hours.
-I/I seems mildly unlikely to happen considering the situation at DCA (most of the "international" flights are, IIRC, to/from Canada and thus functionally domestic in many regards).
Yes, the connection is plausibly doable if things go right and the connection is at the right time of the day. Throw in a wrong turn by an Uber driver, a lousy routing by the app, or the fact that the connection was scheduled for 1500-1800 on a weekday and the ticket "detonates".
Edit: And what I just mentioned was for a domestic ticket. The one time I had to clear immigration at IAD, I think I lost 45 minutes on the immigration front (as a US flyer with all the bells and whistles) due to them sending us over to immigration in one of those "mobile lounges", which basically meant "the whole flight goes over at the same time" (or, more properly, "nobody at the front gets over there before the last coach pax get on).
Edit 2:
-For D/D I can see this as an MCT between those two. It feels occasionally risky (per above) but at least if the inbound flight has reasonable OTP, has its act together on checked luggage, and the airline isn't trying to pull it at the peak of rush hour it seems more likely to happen.
-D/I gets touchy and is going to depend on how the airline is prepared to handle checked baggage (i.e. if they cut baggage check at T-60 or more, that could be an issue, though if they're willing to do a gate check that's another story), and I wouldn't want to risk that on a DCA-IAD transfer on the wrong flight bank based on past experience.
-I/D? I really question the MCT given the potential for immigration to go south. I'd have set it at four hours.
-I/I seems mildly unlikely to happen considering the situation at DCA (most of the "international" flights are, IIRC, to/from Canada and thus functionally domestic in many regards).
Last edited by GrayAnderson; Dec 22, 2018 at 9:42 am
#32
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-For D/D I can see this as an MCT between those two. It feels occasionally risky (per above) but at least if the inbound flight has reasonable OTP, has its act together on checked luggage, and the airline isn't trying to pull it at the peak of rush hour it seems more likely to happen.
-D/I gets touchy and is going to depend on how the airline is prepared to handle checked baggage (i.e. if they cut baggage check at T-60 or more, that could be an issue, though if they're willing to do a gate check that's another story), and I wouldn't want to risk that on a DCA-IAD transfer on the wrong flight bank based on past experience.
-I/D? I really question the MCT given the potential for immigration to go south. I'd have set it at four hours.
-I/I seems mildly unlikely to happen considering the situation at DCA (most of the "international" flights are, IIRC, to/from Canada and thus functionally domestic in many regards).
-D/I gets touchy and is going to depend on how the airline is prepared to handle checked baggage (i.e. if they cut baggage check at T-60 or more, that could be an issue, though if they're willing to do a gate check that's another story), and I wouldn't want to risk that on a DCA-IAD transfer on the wrong flight bank based on past experience.
-I/D? I really question the MCT given the potential for immigration to go south. I'd have set it at four hours.
-I/I seems mildly unlikely to happen considering the situation at DCA (most of the "international" flights are, IIRC, to/from Canada and thus functionally domestic in many regards).
If traffic is light, as it is right now, IAD-DCA is 35 minutes.
There are two choke points to worry about. First is the Dulles Access Road where it merges with I-66. The stretch from the"merge" to about "Ballston" is frequently bottled up and that bottleneck can cost you 15 minutes (it did just that when I went to get my mom from DCA on Wednesday). The second choke point is the approach to DCA. If you go through Crystal City, Route 1 can be backed up by badly timed lights (I can only imagine what it will be like when Amazon HQ2 is there).
#33
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Would I choose to do this - no. I don't need that type of stress when there are other routings to avoid an airport transfer.
Could I do this - yes. Carry-on luggage, Global entry, and pre-check make this doable with time to relax in the Admirals Club at DCA.
Could I do this - yes. Carry-on luggage, Global entry, and pre-check make this doable with time to relax in the Admirals Club at DCA.
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As of 2:24 p.m., Google Maps says the ride is 33 minutes (38 minutes for the toll-free).
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/IAD+...15!2d38.851242
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/IAD+...15!2d38.851242
#38
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People buy MCT connections tmbecause if you are flying an airline with decent on time arrival rates, you will make the MCT the vast majority of the time. I will always take the shortest legal connection except in the very rare case that I get myself into a situation that would cause missing a connection to be catastrophic.
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In this case, I'm guessing the person bought the connection because the TA/OTA/whatever saw the airports as coterminal and didn't bat an eye (depending on the interface, it may not have even reflected the change of airports), with the flyer only realizing post hoc what this entailed.
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In this case, I'm guessing the person bought the connection because the TA/OTA/whatever saw the airports as coterminal and didn't bat an eye (depending on the interface, it may not have even reflected the change of airports), with the flyer only realizing post hoc what this entailed.
I dont think the people who bought this are complaining, are they?
People buy MCT connections tmbecause if you are flying an airline with decent on time arrival rates, you will make the MCT the vast majority of the time. I will always take the shortest legal connection except in the very rare case that I get myself into a situation that would cause missing a connection to be catastrophic.
People buy MCT connections tmbecause if you are flying an airline with decent on time arrival rates, you will make the MCT the vast majority of the time. I will always take the shortest legal connection except in the very rare case that I get myself into a situation that would cause missing a connection to be catastrophic.
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Indeed - I have no desire to spend any more time travelling than I need to. If I can get a legal 45 minute connection ( such as at Doha ) between flights I will happily do so - in unlikely event of misconnection, the airline will fix it. Why guarantee a longer journey than necessary by booking longer connections/routings or even more expensive flights
but that's just me.
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IMO, it depends on where you are. Doha, DFW, HKG, I'm not unduly fussed about a short MCT. LHR, I typically take the second flight after I land; it may be a 4 hour layover but I've had enough issues with a late flight followed by T3-->T5 that it's easier to exceed the MCT. similarly, you couldn't pay me to do a NRT --> HND connection at MCT.
but that's just me.
but that's just me.
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I wouldn't ordinarily try this myself. On the other hand, when you're paying out of pocket for multiple people on a family vacation, a significantly cheaper price means a lot. If I were travelling solo on business, and that fare was $150 cheaper than the others, I doubt I would take it. On the other hand, when we travel as a family, I'm paying for six people. I'd think pretty hard before I turned down saving $900.