Dec 10, 2018, 1:52 pm
Last edit by: Prospero
Which Boeing 777-200ER will I have?
AA has a fleet of 47 Boeing 777-223ER aircraft configured with 37 Business, 24 Premium Economy and 212 Main Cabin seats, including 66 Main Cabin Extra (including exit rows) seats. With the mixed 19 Zodiac vs 28 Super Diamond 772 fleet, Business travelers will be at risk of an aircraft substitution from one to the other, though apparently Dispatch prefers keeping the same subtype on certain routes; in cases of OSO, etc. one type may be substituted for another, even without notice (some FT members have reported such).
Link to list of airframes by registration number and configuration in (unofficial) AA fleet pages.
NOTE: it has been reported aa.com seat charts will usually show “no notches”, IMO, Super Diamond seats, until 48 hours from departure time. At that time, Zodiac equipped aircraft seat charts will display notches on aft-facing seats.
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Business cabin notes
Version 1
19 aircraft are fitted with 37 Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in yin-yang configuration (the inoperable privacy divider and induced motion from seats “tied at the head” aka “Motion over the ocean” are supposed to be remediate by AA)
Version 2
28 aircraft are fitted with 37 B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business suites in an angled forward facing reverse herringbone configuration
Premium Economy notes
24 AA Rockwell Collins MiQ Premium Economy seats (only bulkhead Seats have legrests) in a 2-4-2 configuration
Main Cabin Extra notes
66 Main Cabin Extra economy seats with extended seat pitch / leg room in a 3-4-3 configuration
Main Cabin notes
148 Main Cabin economy seats with standard 31-32” seat pitch in a 3-4-3 configuration
Why two configurations?
All 47 772s were all to have been configured with 45 Zodiac Concept D Business Suites in a yin-yang configuration, some with C45, most with C37. The same seat was to be installed in AA Boeing 787-8 and -9 aircraft.
The C45 decision was made before the reverse takeover of AA by US. The decision was changed to go to a C37 772 aircraft across the board, and that the 13 772s with C45 would be reconfigured to C37.
Zodiac was unable to manufacture the seat in sufficient quantity to satisfy their contract with AA. The 772 refit was stalled, and some early 787-8s sat on the ground seatless. AA was upset at deriving no revenue from them but having to pay for the idled aircraft.
AA sued and terminated the contract with Zodiac, and let the seats contract for remaining seats to B/E Aerospace (purchased in 2017 by Rockwell Collins).
AA also decided to refit 772s and 788s with Premium Economy as well as to standardize the Zodiac subfleet to C37. The last two C45 Zodiac 772s were in the shop at KPAE getting refitted to C37 and PE as of early December 2018.
Related threads
Best Business Seat 777-200 “777” C37 Super Diamond seat
Best Business Seat 777-200 “777” C37 Zodiac (Aft & Fwd) Business
Boeing 777-200ER / 777 Best Premium Economy
Best Economy Seat 777-200 “777” C37 Zodiac Main Cabin & Extra / MCE
Best Economy Seat 777-200 “777" C37 Super Diamond Economy / Main Cabin & Extra MCE
AA has a fleet of 47 Boeing 777-223ER aircraft configured with 37 Business, 24 Premium Economy and 212 Main Cabin seats, including 66 Main Cabin Extra (including exit rows) seats. With the mixed 19 Zodiac vs 28 Super Diamond 772 fleet, Business travelers will be at risk of an aircraft substitution from one to the other, though apparently Dispatch prefers keeping the same subtype on certain routes; in cases of OSO, etc. one type may be substituted for another, even without notice (some FT members have reported such).
Link to list of airframes by registration number and configuration in (unofficial) AA fleet pages.
NOTE: it has been reported aa.com seat charts will usually show “no notches”, IMO, Super Diamond seats, until 48 hours from departure time. At that time, Zodiac equipped aircraft seat charts will display notches on aft-facing seats.
110 VAC universal plug and 5 VDC USB
Panasonic International satellite based WiFi (fee)
ExTV IFE for every seat
Business cabin notes
Version 1
19 aircraft are fitted with 37 Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in yin-yang configuration (the inoperable privacy divider and induced motion from seats “tied at the head” aka “Motion over the ocean” are supposed to be remediate by AA)
Version 2
28 aircraft are fitted with 37 B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business suites in an angled forward facing reverse herringbone configuration
Premium Economy notes
24 AA Rockwell Collins MiQ Premium Economy seats (only bulkhead Seats have legrests) in a 2-4-2 configuration
Main Cabin Extra notes
66 Main Cabin Extra economy seats with extended seat pitch / leg room in a 3-4-3 configuration
Main Cabin notes
148 Main Cabin economy seats with standard 31-32” seat pitch in a 3-4-3 configuration
Why two configurations?
All 47 772s were all to have been configured with 45 Zodiac Concept D Business Suites in a yin-yang configuration, some with C45, most with C37. The same seat was to be installed in AA Boeing 787-8 and -9 aircraft.
The C45 decision was made before the reverse takeover of AA by US. The decision was changed to go to a C37 772 aircraft across the board, and that the 13 772s with C45 would be reconfigured to C37.
Zodiac was unable to manufacture the seat in sufficient quantity to satisfy their contract with AA. The 772 refit was stalled, and some early 787-8s sat on the ground seatless. AA was upset at deriving no revenue from them but having to pay for the idled aircraft.
AA sued and terminated the contract with Zodiac, and let the seats contract for remaining seats to B/E Aerospace (purchased in 2017 by Rockwell Collins).
AA also decided to refit 772s and 788s with Premium Economy as well as to standardize the Zodiac subfleet to C37. The last two C45 Zodiac 772s were in the shop at KPAE getting refitted to C37 and PE as of early December 2018.
Related threads
Best Business Seat 777-200 “777” C37 Super Diamond seat
Best Business Seat 777-200 “777” C37 Zodiac (Aft & Fwd) Business
Boeing 777-200ER / 777 Best Premium Economy
Best Economy Seat 777-200 “777” C37 Zodiac Main Cabin & Extra / MCE
Best Economy Seat 777-200 “777" C37 Super Diamond Economy / Main Cabin & Extra MCE
Aircraft guide: Which 777-200ER / 772 / 777? (2019 on)
Apr 1, 2019, 12:32 pm
#47
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Seat Guru no longer lists the 772 with the NGBC seat, nor have they for a while now. The poster above is referring to the Zodiac rear/forward configuration that JDiver mentioned, it seems.
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Am..._777-200_B.php
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Am..._777-200_B.php
Apr 22, 2019, 10:45 am
#49
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I'm not seeing a thread discussing Y seating on these, so I thought I'd try here. I'm heading JFK-LHR in May on AA142 (777-200). The seat map is showing Y starting at row 17 with MCE, and also is showing MCE in rows 26-28. Row 26 is an exit row, and I grabbed one of those. I don't really care about the window or the lavatories being nearby as I won't be sleeping on the daytime flight. I'm more concerned about the leg room and I love the idea of people not having to climb over me, or me having to climb over other people to get in/out of the seat. Is SeatGuru correct about the leg room here? Are C/J better than A/L for any reason? I know sometimes the door sticks in and takes away some of the leg room on the "window" side, but I'm not sure if that's the case here.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Apr 22, 2019, 10:50 am
#50
Join Date: Nov 2018
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I'm not seeing a thread discussing Y seating on these, so I thought I'd try here. I'm heading JFK-LHR in May on AA142 (777-200). The seat map is showing Y starting at row 17 with MCE, and also is showing MCE in rows 26-28. Row 26 is an exit row, and I grabbed one of those. I don't really care about the window or the lavatories being nearby as I won't be sleeping on the daytime flight. I'm more concerned about the leg room and I love the idea of people not having to climb over me, or me having to climb over other people to get in/out of the seat. Is SeatGuru correct about the leg room here? Are C/J better than A/L for any reason? I know sometimes the door sticks in and takes away some of the leg room on the "window" side, but I'm not sure if that's the case here.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Apr 22, 2019, 10:53 am
#51
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I'm not seeing a thread discussing Y seating on these, so I thought I'd try here. I'm heading JFK-LHR in May on AA142 (777-200). The seat map is showing Y starting at row 17 with MCE, and also is showing MCE in rows 26-28. Row 26 is an exit row, and I grabbed one of those. I don't really care about the window or the lavatories being nearby as I won't be sleeping on the daytime flight. I'm more concerned about the leg room and I love the idea of people not having to climb over me, or me having to climb over other people to get in/out of the seat. Is SeatGuru correct about the leg room here? Are C/J better than A/L for any reason? I know sometimes the door sticks in and takes away some of the leg room on the "window" side, but I'm not sure if that's the case here.
Thanks.
Thanks.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...tra-mce-2.html
Apr 22, 2019, 11:53 am
#52
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Here's the thread you're looking for on economy 772 seating. There's a link to a TPG article a few posts in, while TPG is usually garbage there is a decent pic of row 26.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...tra-mce-2.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...tra-mce-2.html
Apr 23, 2019, 12:36 am
#53
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Seat Guru no longer lists the 772 with the NGBC seat, nor have they for a while now. The poster above is referring to the Zodiac rear/forward configuration that JDiver mentioned, it seems.
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Am..._777-200_B.php
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Am..._777-200_B.php
Makes seatguru even more unreliable than it already was.
Apr 24, 2019, 12:24 am
#54
Join Date: Mar 2010
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We had a very interesting dilemma recently on AA123 DFW-HNL. The flight was listed as using a 772 so I grabbed 2A for my 12yos, 2D for wife, and 2H for myself. When we boarded though we were surprised to find out 1A had been pushed back to row 2, 2A to row 3, so on. Obviously this had an effect on us not being next to our son so we waited to see if anyone was going to take 1A so we could ask them to switch.
When no no one showed up, we asked the FA if my son could sit next to us and we were told no, because 1A was reserved for flight crew. This obviously made my wife uncomfortable so the whole flight we had to get up and walk over to check on our son. We didn’t complain, it happens, but I was surprised that this wasn’t properly explained when we selected our seats and didn’t see any comments in SeatGuru either. One thing I did notice was that the night before our plane had come from Tulsa, which I thought it was weird unless it was some sort of retrofit or maintenance.
As we head back later in the week, I’m now worried that seating in 8D, 8H, 8L will mean that we’re not going to be together again. Anyone seen this before?
When no no one showed up, we asked the FA if my son could sit next to us and we were told no, because 1A was reserved for flight crew. This obviously made my wife uncomfortable so the whole flight we had to get up and walk over to check on our son. We didn’t complain, it happens, but I was surprised that this wasn’t properly explained when we selected our seats and didn’t see any comments in SeatGuru either. One thing I did notice was that the night before our plane had come from Tulsa, which I thought it was weird unless it was some sort of retrofit or maintenance.
As we head back later in the week, I’m now worried that seating in 8D, 8H, 8L will mean that we’re not going to be together again. Anyone seen this before?
Apr 24, 2019, 10:07 am
#55
Join Date: May 2011
Location: DFW
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We had a very interesting dilemma recently on AA123 DFW-HNL. The flight was listed as using a 772 so I grabbed 2A for my 12yos, 2D for wife, and 2H for myself. When we boarded though we were surprised to find out 1A had been pushed back to row 2, 2A to row 3, so on. Obviously this had an effect on us not being next to our son so we waited to see if anyone was going to take 1A so we could ask them to switch.
When no no one showed up, we asked the FA if my son could sit next to us and we were told no, because 1A was reserved for flight crew. This obviously made my wife uncomfortable so the whole flight we had to get up and walk over to check on our son. We didn’t complain, it happens, but I was surprised that this wasn’t properly explained when we selected our seats and didn’t see any comments in SeatGuru either. One thing I did notice was that the night before our plane had come from Tulsa, which I thought it was weird unless it was some sort of retrofit or maintenance.
As we head back later in the week, I’m now worried that seating in 8D, 8H, 8L will mean that we’re not going to be together again. Anyone seen this before?
When no no one showed up, we asked the FA if my son could sit next to us and we were told no, because 1A was reserved for flight crew. This obviously made my wife uncomfortable so the whole flight we had to get up and walk over to check on our son. We didn’t complain, it happens, but I was surprised that this wasn’t properly explained when we selected our seats and didn’t see any comments in SeatGuru either. One thing I did notice was that the night before our plane had come from Tulsa, which I thought it was weird unless it was some sort of retrofit or maintenance.
As we head back later in the week, I’m now worried that seating in 8D, 8H, 8L will mean that we’re not going to be together again. Anyone seen this before?
It had nothing to do with the plane coming from TUL. All the 777-200s have been refitted for over a year now. It was likely in TUL for some routine checks.
Rows 7-10 are all directly aligned with one another, so you will not have the issue you had on the flight to HNL by sitting here. ^
Jul 21, 2019, 9:29 pm
#56
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 57
Has anyone figured out how to know more than 48 hours in advance what type of business class seat you are buying on an AA 777-200 (i.e. Zodiac or Super Diamond)?I don't want to buy seats unless I know I am buying Super Diamond or I'll just move on and chose another airline. Looking at HNL-DFW or OGG-DFW.
Jul 21, 2019, 9:32 pm
#57
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 1,285
Has anyone figured out how to know more than 48 hours in advance what type of business class seat you are buying on an AA 777-200 (i.e. Zodiac or Super Diamond)?I don't want to buy seats unless I know I am buying Super Diamond or I'll just move on and chose another airline. Looking at HNL-DFW or OGG-DFW.
Jul 21, 2019, 9:47 pm
#58
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 57
Thanks for the quick reply. It seems to me that AA is clearly burying their poorly reviewed Zodiac seats by moving their planes around and not updating their seat maps on their website so they can sell those seats to unsuspecting customers.
Jul 21, 2019, 10:19 pm
#59
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 1,285
I’m not sure AA does that on purpose. Aircraft swaps are common for all airlines and it can happen last minute. Just select your seat as if it was zodiac - pick one that is not connected to the other seat.
Jul 21, 2019, 10:36 pm
#60
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 57
Unfortunately it's not that simple. Only 5 out of the 37 business class seats are not "rockers" (connected to another seat). Again, I don't know any airline that would sell a business class seat that is rear-facing without making that clear during the reservation process and seat selection.