Originally Posted by moondog (Post 31953639)

-Boeing sold planes to "3rd world airlines"
-these airlines requested training on the new aircraft type
-the engineers mocked these airlines for being incompetent
-Boeing told them no additional training was needed
-346 people died
-Boeing attempted to shift the blame to the 3rd world airlines and their inexperienced pilots
-this tactic semi-worked until those internal emails and messages were released
-Boeing is in a bad position now because, even if the Max reemerges as the safest plane in history, many of us simply don't trust Boeing at present, and will make sure to avoid Max at all costs
-sometimes we talk about the idea that the general public doesn't care about what plane their flying on; this is different because if/when the Max returns, there will be extensive media coverage detailing which airlines have it, which ones don't, how to avoid Max flights, and why you might want to avoid Max flights

Originally Posted by clubord (Post 31953718)

Good, accurate bulletpoints but I feel you give too much credit to the media and their intellect with the technical aspects of this situation. I’m not absolving Boeing of their responsibility here but I’d be hard-pressed to find anyone with operational knowledge or experience to say the media has done a pretty good job with this so far.

Originally Posted by cmd320 (Post 31953298)

True it’s certainly possible that the sims never would have produced a similar inflight failure, however the arrogance of Boeing is really the alarming part.

Originally Posted by USFlyerUS (Post 31983707)

With the latest news from Boeing that we're looking at likely another six months of grounding, what do we think the possibility is of an outright cancellation of the remaining 7M8 orders in favor of more A321neos? I'm not advocating for this necessarily, just curious what we think might happen at this point.

Originally Posted by USFlyerUS (Post 31983707)

With the latest news from Boeing that we're looking at likely another six months of grounding, what do we think the possibility is of an outright cancellation of the remaining 7M8 orders in favor of more A321neos? I'm not advocating for this necessarily, just curious what we think might happen at this point.

Originally Posted by AeRoSpaceman (Post 31984017)

That's a good question. IMO I think they should stick with the Max. Reason being that there is a huge backorder for the 321neo's and they would not be able to backfill the fleet with those by the time the MAX get's approved. Just opinion here.

Originally Posted by IADCAflyer (Post 31985270)

Over 10,000 flights cancelled in Q4 owing to MAX. I hear there is a cash payment in the works for AA. How big it is going to be will (I'm sure) be quite confidential.

Originally Posted by AeRoSpaceman (Post 31984017)

That's a good question. IMO I think they should stick with the Max. Reason being that there is a huge backorder for the 321neo's and they would not be able to backfill the fleet with those by the time the MAX get's approved. Just opinion here.

Originally Posted by bchandler02 (Post 31986249)

I really have to wonder - what if the MAX doesnt make it back in the air ever? Is Boeing just out for what they have built, or could they convert them to 737-800s and at least recover some loss?

Originally Posted by DenverBrian (Post 31986596)

Maybe the MAXes could be converted to fire tankers or something. Donate them to organizations worldwide. Restart the -800 line.

Very few good options for Boeing at this point. But they made their bed...