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enviroian Mar 10, 19 2:21 pm


Originally Posted by IADCAflyer (Post 30869631)
If there was an ordered shut down, my guess is that AA would start to shift fleet aircraft around - including halting all future MD-80 retirements, bringing viable MD-80s back from the desert.

That would make my week.

AANYC1981 Mar 10, 19 2:27 pm

This plus the Oasis cancellation fiasco going on has me so happy my travels this coming week are in seat 1A on the E175

Nuhusky Mar 10, 19 3:17 pm

I don’t care what’s going on but I’m refusing to set foot on a max until further notice. I’ll take longer trips, lose upgrades, don’t care. Something is seriously wrong here and I’m not risking my life on this aircraft

cova Mar 10, 19 3:21 pm

Both of the 7M8s that crashed were heavily loaded with high passenger count. As mentioned earlier here - maybe unbalanced. And I don't always buy the "fix with software" argument.

Nuhusky Mar 10, 19 3:28 pm


Originally Posted by cova (Post 30870055)
Both of the 7M8s that crashed were heavily loaded with high passenger count. As mentioned earlier here - maybe unbalanced. And I don't always buy the "fix with software" argument.

not sure I understand this comment. Did these airlines have passengers sitting in the aisle or standing in the lavatory without assigned seats?

No

yes they might have filled every seat but the argument they overloaded with passengers is non sensical. If the 737 is built with 150 seats the airline should be able to put 150 butts into those seats. The aircraft in both instances took off from the ground without issue and flew for at least 6 mins

you really arguing after being in the air for 6 mins too many people in the manufacturer approved seating config brought these craft down?

if you believe that Iíve got something to sell you

cova Mar 10, 19 3:32 pm


Originally Posted by Nuhusky (Post 30870080)


not sure I understand this comment. Did these airlines have passengers sitting in the aisle or standing in the lavatory without assigned seats?

No

yes they might have filled every seat but the argument they overloaded with passengers is non sensical. If the 737 is built with 150 seats the airline should be able to put 150 butts into those seats. The aircraft in both instances took off from the ground without issue and flew for at least 6 mins

you really arguing after being in the air for 6 mins too many people in the manufacturer approved seating config brought these craft down?

if you believe that Iíve got something to sell you

The Lyon Air flight had 189 people on a 737.

Nuhusky Mar 10, 19 3:38 pm

My 150 number was for an example to make the point that if 150 seats are on the plane then the airline can sell 150 tickets. Just like if 189 seats are on the plane why can’t they sell 189. I’d imagine beoing installed 189 people and if lion air made a modification after delivery then that’s a different story. Doesn’t explain today’s crash

econometrics Mar 10, 19 3:38 pm


Originally Posted by cova (Post 30870091)
The Lyon Air flight had 189 people on a 737.

And the ET flight had 157+crew. That's about the average flight load for a 738 for any US 3 carrier. (though AA is attempting to average that up with 172 seats on theirs).

Happy Mar 10, 19 3:45 pm

Does it also make a difference when the avg person in either Asia or Africa, weigh quite a bit less than an avg person in US, like below 120lb versus above 150lb?

IADCAflyer Mar 10, 19 3:45 pm


Originally Posted by cova (Post 30870055)
Both of the 7M8s that crashed were heavily loaded with high passenger count. As mentioned earlier here - maybe unbalanced. And I don't always buy the "fix with software" argument.

Disagree with the second one having a high passenger count. 157 + crew. The flight was also on a two hour trip and not heavily laden with fuel.

cmd320 Mar 10, 19 3:48 pm


Originally Posted by cova (Post 30870091)
The Lyon Air flight had 189 people on a 737.

This is not really that remarkable. Ryanair flies a fleet of more than 400 738s, all with 189 seats and routinely fills them. They've never had a fatal accident to my knowledge.

Would I personally choose to fly on a 189 seat 738? No, however that's based on personal preference/comfort, not safety.

IADCAflyer Mar 10, 19 3:48 pm


Originally Posted by Happy (Post 30870126)
Does it also make a difference when the avg person in either Asia or Africa, weigh quite a bit less than an avg person in US, like below 120lb to above 150lb?

Only about 1/3 of the passengers were of African origin (which means nothing). Lots of Canadians, Italians, Europeans and Brits.

no1cub17 Mar 10, 19 5:35 pm


Originally Posted by cova (Post 30870091)
The Lyon Air flight had 189 people on a 737.

What's your point? JT's 739s seat even more, over 200 I believe. And despite their spotty record, they'd actually had a few good years prior to the October crash.

no1cub17 Mar 10, 19 5:38 pm


Originally Posted by Nuhusky (Post 30870042)
I donít care whatís going on but Iím refusing to set foot on a max until further notice. Iíll take longer trips, lose upgrades, donít care. Something is seriously wrong here and Iím not risking my life on this aircraft

Can't say I disagree. Boeing is rather lucky that the two crashes were an Asian and African airline. If either one was an AA or UA plane, the max would've already been grounded no questions asked.

I feel so bad for ET - they're a fantastic airline and I hope they recover from this. Not to mention the delicious Doro Wot at the cloud nine lounge - maybe my favorite lounge meal ever.

econometrics Mar 10, 19 5:43 pm


Originally Posted by no1cub17 (Post 30870475)
I feel so bad for ET - they're a fantastic airline and I hope they recover from this.

+1. Africa's best, easily.


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