Oct 16, 2018, 12:53 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
Under “Project Oasis” all legacy AA Boeing 737-800 / 738 aircraft will join the densely configured 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 go on in the 2020s in their “densified” version with the oversized Boeing Space Bins. The densification began during late 2018 and is expected to be complete sometime in 2021.
See AA 737 MAX 8 SSW / 7M8 aircraft in service Nov 2017 (discussion)
For the A321-200 retrofit program under “Project Oasis” see A321 / 32B old to densified A321 / 32B Oasis Aircraft Swap - Seat loss, etc.
See registration numbers of retrofitted “Oasis” standard aircraft on the (unofficial) AA Fleet site in the two pages of 738s - “classic” and “enhanced” versions.
Those reported as refitted show F16, Y156 (MCE30) and “BSI - SPACE” denoting the new Boeing Space Bins, allowing 60 more carryons per aircraft). The pages also list type of IFE, WiFi, etc.
Types:
100 Boeing 737 MAX 8: (began arriving 2018 “out of the box”)
304 Boeing 737-800 737-800 / 738 (rapidly being retrofitted)
Configuration:
Final “Oasis” configuration: F16, Y156 (of which 30 are MCE) IFE WiFi streaming, Internet WiFi mostly? via ViaSat, seat power 110 VAC universal plug plus 5 VDC USB low output, oversized Space overhead baggage bins.
See here for SeatGuru seat chart.
First / Business: (16 seats in rows numbered 1-4, A , DF) Rockwell Collins MiQ (similar to AA Premium Economy seats without foot rests) with 37” seat pitch. NOTE unrefitted 737s have rows 3-6 in F).
Main Cabin Extra: (30 seats numbered rows 8, 9, 10, 16 and 17, seats ABC and DEF) Rockwell Collins Meridian seats with 33” seat pitch.
Main Cabin: (126 seats numbered rows 11-15 and 18-33) Rockwell Collins Meridian seats with 30” seat pitch.
SeatGuru claims
NOTE: AA does a poor job of retaining your booked or equivalent seats in equipment change situations, which will only increase until 152 aircraft are refitted.
See AA 737 MAX 8 SSW / 7M8 aircraft in service Nov 2017 (discussion)
For the A321-200 retrofit program under “Project Oasis” see A321 / 32B old to densified A321 / 32B Oasis Aircraft Swap - Seat loss, etc.
See registration numbers of retrofitted “Oasis” standard aircraft on the (unofficial) AA Fleet site in the two pages of 738s - “classic” and “enhanced” versions.
Those reported as refitted show F16, Y156 (MCE30) and “BSI - SPACE” denoting the new Boeing Space Bins, allowing 60 more carryons per aircraft). The pages also list type of IFE, WiFi, etc.
Gary Weissel, managing director of Tronos Aviation Consulting Inc., estimated that American could generate about $400,000 a year for each seat it adds to a plane, based on average fares and typical aircraft usage.
100 Boeing 737 MAX 8: (began arriving 2018 “out of the box”)
304 Boeing 737-800 737-800 / 738 (rapidly being retrofitted)
Configuration:
Final “Oasis” configuration: F16, Y156 (of which 30 are MCE) IFE WiFi streaming, Internet WiFi mostly? via ViaSat, seat power 110 VAC universal plug plus 5 VDC USB low output, oversized Space overhead baggage bins.
See here for SeatGuru seat chart.
First / Business: (16 seats in rows numbered 1-4, A , DF) Rockwell Collins MiQ (similar to AA Premium Economy seats without foot rests) with 37” seat pitch. NOTE unrefitted 737s have rows 3-6 in F).
Main Cabin Extra: (30 seats numbered rows 8, 9, 10, 16 and 17, seats ABC and DEF) Rockwell Collins Meridian seats with 33” seat pitch.
Main Cabin: (126 seats numbered rows 11-15 and 18-33) Rockwell Collins Meridian seats with 30” seat pitch.
SeatGuru claims
- First: Pitch 37”, width 21”
- Main Cabin Extra : Pitch 33”, width 16.6-17.8”
- Main Cabin: Pitch 30”, width 16.6-17.8”
NOTE: AA does a poor job of retaining your booked or equivalent seats in equipment change situations, which will only increase until 152 aircraft are refitted.
At shoulder height, the width of Rockwell’s Advanced Spacewall restroom -- made by the company’s B/E Aerospace unit -- is about the same as older economy-class restrooms. The space savings comes around sink level, as the wall curves in to allow a row of three seats to be tucked under the bend. The lavatory, which is just one available option, provides seven inches more of cabin space, according to a Rockwell spokeswoman. The company and several airlines declined to provide full dimensions.
The refitted aircraft sport the new “Spacewall“ ultra slimline lavatory (29” in F, 24” in Y). First / Business seats.
The smaller restrooms as installed “out of the box” on American’s 100 new 737 Max aircraft have prompted employees to dub it the Mini. - Bloomberg, 9 Jun 2018
The refitted aircraft sport the new “Spacewall“ ultra slimline lavatory (29” in F, 24” in Y). First / Business seats.
The smaller restrooms as installed “out of the box” on American’s 100 new 737 Max aircraft have prompted employees to dub it the Mini. - Bloomberg, 9 Jun 2018
FOR LIST OF CONVERTED Boeing 737-800 aircraft to densified 737-800 / 738 “Oasis” (all 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 aircraft arrive in the “Oasis” configuration out of the box): see American Airlines (unofficial) fleet site 738 Classic (link) and 738 Enhanced link listings. Old versions are 16 / 144, new “Oasis” are 16 / 156.
This retrofit is occurring fairly rapidly, and there are 304 738s. Rather than tediously updating a list here, look at the AA fleet site pages linked to above. The fleet site is updating their information in a timely manner.
This retrofit is occurring fairly rapidly, and there are 304 738s. Rather than tediously updating a list here, look at the AA fleet site pages linked to above. The fleet site is updating their information in a timely manner.
Unrefitted Boeing 738 to 7M8 or densified Oasis 738 aircraft Swap - Seat loss, etc.
Jan 14, 2019, 7:53 am
#91
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People will continue to defend it, but BYOD is pretty awful all around. It of course makes it more difficult and more annoying to get up because each row is cluttered with devices on tray tables.
I had a new one on a recent flight: the pilot's message interrupted the movie I was watching on my own device. Now, I don't really care about pilot or FA interruptions (unless it's a credit card spiel) but this is one of the reasons the BYOD-fans brought up as an advantage. Not anymore!
I had a new one on a recent flight: the pilot's message interrupted the movie I was watching on my own device. Now, I don't really care about pilot or FA interruptions (unless it's a credit card spiel) but this is one of the reasons the BYOD-fans brought up as an advantage. Not anymore!
Jan 14, 2019, 10:55 am
#92
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I believe all MAX and Oasis are ViaSat.
Jan 14, 2019, 11:36 am
#93
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No satellite. The IFE WiFi server is on board, so it’s easy to set it up to pause everything other than a prioritized message from crew. Likely a requirement in case of emergencies.
Jan 25, 2019, 7:54 am
#94
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Rode in one of these planes yesterday. Luckily I didnt have to deal with the small bathrooms in coach but I did find the lack of bulkhead bewteen F and Y really annoying. My favorite seat has always been 6E but now not so sure about it now. I did like the larger bins though, but also find that under seat storage in F has been greatly reduced due to seat design. Wrote to AA and did get a somewhat personalized response which I'm posting here for anyone who's interested:
"Hello Mr. FAA1996:
Thank you for writing us. As one of our valued AAdvantage® Executive Platinum customers, you are well qualified to judge our service. Your comments are a trusted means of identifying those areas which require our attention. Naturally, we are concerned that your experience with our reconfigured Boeing 737 aircraft has caused you to question our commitment to high-quality service. We are sorry for your disappointment.
On the inside of the Boeing 737 MAX and our reconfigured Boeing 737-800 aircraft, we offer wireless entertainment to deliver a complimentary library of movies, television shows and other entertainment to our customers' phones and tablets, and tablet holders in the seatback to hold those devices. Unlike quickly outdated in-seat screen systems, we know our customers carry the latest tech. In addition, we know how important it is to stay charged and connected, and the MAX features power at every seat as well as fast ViaSat satellite-based internet connections for a fee. I also regret that the enjoyment of your flight was diminished by the removal of the bulkhead separating the Main Cabin from the Premium Cabin.
As a loyal customer, we care about what you think of the way we do business and thank you for your feedback. Your comments have been documented and made available to the right people here at American for internal review. We try to be responsive and look for trends based on your reactions to different areas of service. This helps us to identify the different features that are most appealing and improve those that aren't so popular.
Thank you again for writing us Mr. FAA1996 and for your loyal participation in AAdvantage® since 1999. It's our goal to suit the needs and wishes of the largest group of our customers. As we look to make changes, you can be sure we'll keep your concerns in mind. Thanks for giving us the benefit of your invaluable observations and we look forward to welcome you aboard again soon.
Sincerely,
RC
Customer Relations
American Airlines"
"Hello Mr. FAA1996:
Thank you for writing us. As one of our valued AAdvantage® Executive Platinum customers, you are well qualified to judge our service. Your comments are a trusted means of identifying those areas which require our attention. Naturally, we are concerned that your experience with our reconfigured Boeing 737 aircraft has caused you to question our commitment to high-quality service. We are sorry for your disappointment.
On the inside of the Boeing 737 MAX and our reconfigured Boeing 737-800 aircraft, we offer wireless entertainment to deliver a complimentary library of movies, television shows and other entertainment to our customers' phones and tablets, and tablet holders in the seatback to hold those devices. Unlike quickly outdated in-seat screen systems, we know our customers carry the latest tech. In addition, we know how important it is to stay charged and connected, and the MAX features power at every seat as well as fast ViaSat satellite-based internet connections for a fee. I also regret that the enjoyment of your flight was diminished by the removal of the bulkhead separating the Main Cabin from the Premium Cabin.
As a loyal customer, we care about what you think of the way we do business and thank you for your feedback. Your comments have been documented and made available to the right people here at American for internal review. We try to be responsive and look for trends based on your reactions to different areas of service. This helps us to identify the different features that are most appealing and improve those that aren't so popular.
Thank you again for writing us Mr. FAA1996 and for your loyal participation in AAdvantage® since 1999. It's our goal to suit the needs and wishes of the largest group of our customers. As we look to make changes, you can be sure we'll keep your concerns in mind. Thanks for giving us the benefit of your invaluable observations and we look forward to welcome you aboard again soon.
Sincerely,
RC
Customer Relations
American Airlines"
Jan 28, 2019, 2:42 pm
#96
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Was booked on a 738 in 4F (my preferred seat) when I noticed I was now in 2F - the dreaded Max was coming!
imagine my shock on boarding when I realized I was at 2L and on a 752 instead.
imagine my shock on boarding when I realized I was at 2L and on a 752 instead.
Jan 29, 2019, 5:31 am
#98
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[QUOTE=TXguy;30389798]Yep. That's the proper way to handle this--just fly Delta. It's a far superior experience. Even Southwest and JetBlue are superior to regular Y and to some extent even MCE on AA.[/QUOTE
Isn't Delta doing the same thing, down to the "Space Flex" lavatories? I haven'tI think the problem we're seeing goes beyond American, although I'm not a happy camper either. I actually flew United recently in Y, ORD-DFW, and it was a sardine can, especially the lavs. and I got stuck in a middle seat three rows from the back.
Isn't Delta doing the same thing, down to the "Space Flex" lavatories? I haven'tI think the problem we're seeing goes beyond American, although I'm not a happy camper either. I actually flew United recently in Y, ORD-DFW, and it was a sardine can, especially the lavs. and I got stuck in a middle seat three rows from the back.
Jan 29, 2019, 6:08 am
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Rode in one of these planes yesterday. Luckily I didnt have to deal with the small bathrooms in coach but I did find the lack of bulkhead bewteen F and Y really annoying. My favorite seat has always been 6E but now not so sure about it now. I did like the larger bins though, but also find that under seat storage in F has been greatly reduced due to seat design.
Jan 29, 2019, 6:36 am
#100
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[QUOTE=Superjeff;30713734]
This is just my take. The short answer is yes, Delta is doing the same thing, Delta uses the small lavs and their 737-900s are tight, IMHO. My issue with Project Oasis is specific to the first class cabin on the 737-800s and the MAX 8. They are noticeably tighter than before, by design, I know. The lack of underseat storage, and the overall poor design of the seat leaves me convinced no one from American that's ever had to buy an airplane ticket actually sat in the seat in a cabin mockup. As for coach, American is shoving more seats in the back than both DL and UA with their 737-800s. I'm willing to be wrong about that, but believe I'm correct. Then there's the thing about Delta running a much better airline operationally and financially that makes American's approach and apparent tin-ear on the subject very difficult for me to take. I voted with my wallet. Will they care? I doubt it. And I'm OK with that.
Yep. That's the proper way to handle this--just fly Delta. It's a far superior experience. Even Southwest and JetBlue are superior to regular Y and to some extent even MCE on AA.[/QUOTE
Isn't Delta doing the same thing, down to the "Space Flex" lavatories? I haven'tI think the problem we're seeing goes beyond American, although I'm not a happy camper either. I actually flew United recently in Y, ORD-DFW, and it was a sardine can, especially the lavs. and I got stuck in a middle seat three rows from the back.
Isn't Delta doing the same thing, down to the "Space Flex" lavatories? I haven'tI think the problem we're seeing goes beyond American, although I'm not a happy camper either. I actually flew United recently in Y, ORD-DFW, and it was a sardine can, especially the lavs. and I got stuck in a middle seat three rows from the back.
Feb 12, 2019, 8:21 am
#101
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Got Oasis’d yesterday on AA2622 - DFW-LAX. N844NN.
It was a final punch to the gut after our DFW-HKG direct in J was canceled earlier in the day. Coming off the greatness of CX J to the absolute MESS of AA ops at the remote bus gates was a stark reminder of the blundering operation AA runs at times. Couldn’t get MCE, so I was in 20AB.
To to be honest, the seat wasn’t as bad as I was expecting. Bigger bins are nice, for sure. Since I haven’t flown in a non-MCE Y seat in probably over 5 years (on AA, have done so on many LCC in Europe), it was a nice reminder of why even those extra 2-3 inches make such a big difference.
Lastly, do we have a Wiki with the Oasis 738’s? We should report back here whenever there’s a new tail that’s been converted.
It was a final punch to the gut after our DFW-HKG direct in J was canceled earlier in the day. Coming off the greatness of CX J to the absolute MESS of AA ops at the remote bus gates was a stark reminder of the blundering operation AA runs at times. Couldn’t get MCE, so I was in 20AB.
To to be honest, the seat wasn’t as bad as I was expecting. Bigger bins are nice, for sure. Since I haven’t flown in a non-MCE Y seat in probably over 5 years (on AA, have done so on many LCC in Europe), it was a nice reminder of why even those extra 2-3 inches make such a big difference.
Lastly, do we have a Wiki with the Oasis 738’s? We should report back here whenever there’s a new tail that’s been converted.
Feb 12, 2019, 8:24 am
#102
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Got Oasis’d yesterday on AA2622 - DFW-LAX. N844NN.
It was a final punch to the gut after our DFW-HKG direct in J was canceled earlier in the day. Coming off the greatness of CX J to the absolute MESS of AA ops at the remote bus gates was a stark reminder of the blundering operation AA runs at times. Couldn’t get MCE, so I was in 20AB.
To to be honest, the seat wasn’t as bad as I was expecting. Bigger bins are nice, for sure. Since I haven’t flown in a non-MCE Y seat in probably over 5 years (on AA, have done so on many LCC in Europe), it was a nice reminder of why even those extra 2-3 inches make such a big difference.
Lastly, do we have a Wiki with the Oasis 738’s? We should report back here whenever there’s a new tail that’s been converted.
It was a final punch to the gut after our DFW-HKG direct in J was canceled earlier in the day. Coming off the greatness of CX J to the absolute MESS of AA ops at the remote bus gates was a stark reminder of the blundering operation AA runs at times. Couldn’t get MCE, so I was in 20AB.
To to be honest, the seat wasn’t as bad as I was expecting. Bigger bins are nice, for sure. Since I haven’t flown in a non-MCE Y seat in probably over 5 years (on AA, have done so on many LCC in Europe), it was a nice reminder of why even those extra 2-3 inches make such a big difference.
Lastly, do we have a Wiki with the Oasis 738’s? We should report back here whenever there’s a new tail that’s been converted.
Feb 12, 2019, 9:28 am
#103
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AA only updates the seat maps around 24h before the flight... however, you can often know the tail # of your plane 48h or so before.
Feb 12, 2019, 9:29 am
#104
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I think you misunderstood me. For any of us who fly a 738 that has been Oasis’d, just report the flight / date an / or tail # here, and we can have a wiki for reference from that data.
AA only updates the seat maps around 24h before the flight... however, you can often know the tail # of your plane 48h or so before.
Feb 12, 2019, 3:54 pm
#105
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The (unofficial) AA Fleet site does list them all in the two pages of 738s - “classic” and “enhanced” versions.
Those reported as refitted show F16, Y156 (MCE30) and “BSI - SPACE” denoting the new Boeing Space Bins, allowing 60 more carryons per aircraft). The pages also list type of IFE, WiFi, etc.
Last edited by JDiver; Feb 12, 2019 at 4:06 pm