Award reduction? No AA LHR SAAver award flights less than 13 days out?
Oct 4, 2018, 10:56 pm
#61
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No I understood you, my point was that the BOS-LHR sAAver economy availability you see on Oct. 10 matches the availability you can get from ORD/JFK to LHR also on Oct. 10.
Oct. 10 is actually 7 days out (not 6) if you count today as day 1.
For whatever the reason AA is keeping sAAver economy open until 7 days out on JFK/ORD/BOS-LHR, while for most other routes it's now 14 days.
Oct. 10 is actually 7 days out (not 6) if you count today as day 1.
For whatever the reason AA is keeping sAAver economy open until 7 days out on JFK/ORD/BOS-LHR, while for most other routes it's now 14 days.
Oct 5, 2018, 4:28 am
#62
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Who knows, definitely sometime overnight. It's now 6am Eastern here, all of the 7 day sAAver space JFK/ORD/BOS-LHR has now shifted to Oct. 11, while the 14 day cities have all shifted ahead a day to Oct. 18.
Oct 5, 2018, 12:41 pm
#63
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Why does the system force me to book an award DCA-CLT-ORD-CDG when DCA-ORD and ORD-CDG are both open independently?
Isnt this more costly especially considering both segments were open anyway? Why not offer it available as a connection?
Isnt this more costly especially considering both segments were open anyway? Why not offer it available as a connection?
Oct 5, 2018, 12:54 pm
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https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...-segments.html
Oct 5, 2018, 1:13 pm
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Because the new AA is going for great. This is married segment availability (see below thread) and is unrelated (mostly) to the issue being discussed here.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...-segments.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...-segments.html
Oct 6, 2018, 7:28 am
#66
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Just to add to this, it appears that using BA.com and Avios, you can actually book the same AA flights that are unavailable at the sAAver level, within the 7 or 14 day window that they appear to be restricted to AAdvantage members.
It's 20K Avios plus roughly £145 in taxes for a JFK-LHR.
I don't know if this is because I'm a BA Gold card member, as a bit like EXPs we get expanded economy class award availability. If there's revenue V class available, then awards can book into those. My only theory for this is that's where they're booking into, as opposed to X.
It's 20K Avios plus roughly £145 in taxes for a JFK-LHR.
I don't know if this is because I'm a BA Gold card member, as a bit like EXPs we get expanded economy class award availability. If there's revenue V class available, then awards can book into those. My only theory for this is that's where they're booking into, as opposed to X.
Oct 6, 2018, 8:20 am
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Just to add to this, it appears that using BA.com and Avios, you can actually book the same AA flights that are unavailable at the sAAver level, within the 7 or 14 day window that they appear to be restricted to AAdvantage members.
It's 20K Avios plus roughly £145 in taxes for a JFK-LHR.
I don't know if this is because I'm a BA Gold card member, as a bit like EXPs we get expanded economy class award availability. If there's revenue V class available, then awards can book into those. My only theory for this is that's where they're booking into, as opposed to X.
It's 20K Avios plus roughly £145 in taxes for a JFK-LHR.
I don't know if this is because I'm a BA Gold card member, as a bit like EXPs we get expanded economy class award availability. If there's revenue V class available, then awards can book into those. My only theory for this is that's where they're booking into, as opposed to X.
Oct 6, 2018, 8:58 am
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Hopefully this is within the rules, but here's an extract from my blog post on the subject. Very happy to remove the link if it's not appropriate - I believe I've included all relevant information into this post.
I was looking at today's flights from JFK to LHR on AA metal:
That was the screenshot that I took from AA.com logged in as a no status AAdvantage member.
I then looked at the same route by doing a search on BA.com and voila, every single one of them is available (both AA and BA flights).
The only explanation that I can come up with is that for some reason, BA.com will let me use Avios to book on JBA flights where 'V' class is available (and not just restricted to BA metal).
I was looking at today's flights from JFK to LHR on AA metal:
That was the screenshot that I took from AA.com logged in as a no status AAdvantage member.
I then looked at the same route by doing a search on BA.com and voila, every single one of them is available (both AA and BA flights).
The only explanation that I can come up with is that for some reason, BA.com will let me use Avios to book on JBA flights where 'V' class is available (and not just restricted to BA metal).
Oct 6, 2018, 10:59 am
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Hopefully this is within the rules, but here's an extract from my blog post on the subject. Very happy to remove the link if it's not appropriate - I believe I've included all relevant information into this post.
I was looking at today's flights from JFK to LHR on AA metal:
That was the screenshot that I took from AA.com logged in as a no status AAdvantage member.
I then looked at the same route by doing a search on BA.com and voila, every single one of them is available (both AA and BA flights).
The only explanation that I can come up with is that for some reason, BA.com will let me use Avios to book on JBA flights where 'V' class is available (and not just restricted to BA metal).
I was looking at today's flights from JFK to LHR on AA metal:
That was the screenshot that I took from AA.com logged in as a no status AAdvantage member.
I then looked at the same route by doing a search on BA.com and voila, every single one of them is available (both AA and BA flights).
The only explanation that I can come up with is that for some reason, BA.com will let me use Avios to book on JBA flights where 'V' class is available (and not just restricted to BA metal).
Not long ago I was looking into using some of my Avios for AA awards. If I'm not mistaken there were two things that came into play:
1. On BA, rather than having Anytime and Saver they have Peak and Non-Peak and that's what determines the number of Avios (presumably miles if booked with AA miles).
2. BA's fees for the same flights on AA metal were at least a few hundred dollars (depending on class of service) in spite of the fact that it was AA metal. Not as high as the fees on BA metal but still not nothing.
Oct 6, 2018, 1:52 pm
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Not long ago I was looking into using some of my Avios for AA awards. If I'm not mistaken there were two things that came into play:
1. On BA, rather than having Anytime and Saver they have Peak and Non-Peak and that's what determines the number of Avios (presumably miles if booked with AA miles).
2. BA's fees for the same flights on AA metal were at least a few hundred dollars (depending on class of service) in spite of the fact that it was AA metal. Not as high as the fees on BA metal but still not nothing.
1. On BA, rather than having Anytime and Saver they have Peak and Non-Peak and that's what determines the number of Avios (presumably miles if booked with AA miles).
2. BA's fees for the same flights on AA metal were at least a few hundred dollars (depending on class of service) in spite of the fact that it was AA metal. Not as high as the fees on BA metal but still not nothing.
Historically to my knowledge, T inventory is the same regardless of which program you are booking through, with the exception of the rare EXP expanded inventory. If what Dave_C posted above on the BA website is indeed bookable (not phantom inventory) via BA but not AA, then the fact that partner members have access to improved close-in T inventory over AA members represents, IMO, a significant devaluation for the latter.
Oct 6, 2018, 2:07 pm
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I was looking at today's flights from JFK to LHR on AA metal:
That was the screenshot that I took from AA.com logged in as a no status AAdvantage member.
I then looked at the same route by doing a search on BA.com and voila, every single one of them is available (both AA and BA flights).
The only explanation that I can come up with is that for some reason, BA.com will let me use Avios to book on JBA flights where 'V' class is available (and not just restricted to BA metal).
That was the screenshot that I took from AA.com logged in as a no status AAdvantage member.
I then looked at the same route by doing a search on BA.com and voila, every single one of them is available (both AA and BA flights).
The only explanation that I can come up with is that for some reason, BA.com will let me use Avios to book on JBA flights where 'V' class is available (and not just restricted to BA metal).
Oct 6, 2018, 8:45 pm
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DL severely restricts availability of mileage awards at lower levels within 21days of departure for many routes so perhaps AA is copying this practice. Or perhaps they are just trying to discourage award bookings this month to drive more cash bookings so they can meet their cash flow commitment to the Street.
Oct 7, 2018, 3:45 pm
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SA 13 Oct JFK-LHR AA104 and AA106 = 6 days out.
No seats before that date on AA, tons on BA though.