Clueless passengers. (In flight speaker VOIP call)
#91
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I think this is a very recent, very American and very obvious trend and I’m not yank bashing here. I travel a lot between Australia, Asia, Europe and North America. On my most recent trip to the states it’s hard to think of a single public outing where I wasn’t subjected to somebody’s use of a mobile device without headphones. Buses, restaurants, lounges, yes - onboard flights and it was movies, games, music and voice / video calls. It’s everywhere.
It’s the worst manners. Sometimes a death stare or “please knock it off” worked.
What’s going on? (Maybe apple doing away with the headphone jack has a lot to do with it, but that doesn’t excuse obnoxious behaviour.)
It’s the worst manners. Sometimes a death stare or “please knock it off” worked.
What’s going on? (Maybe apple doing away with the headphone jack has a lot to do with it, but that doesn’t excuse obnoxious behaviour.)
#92
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I guess to me the best FU would be to let them know that you are recording them. I'm guessing that you would wind up in a scrape or two. I suppose I would just rather continue to believe that I am superior to these peasants who broadcast their business...
#93
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On my last flight back from Sydney to SFO, the guy next to me stood up (and therefore had me stand up to get out of his way) to get things out of his bag in the overhead *six times* - I counted.
Like you, I have to wonder if these people have this same level of disorganization and lack of planning in their personal or professional life - or do they just check their brain along with their bags in the airport?
Like you, I have to wonder if these people have this same level of disorganization and lack of planning in their personal or professional life - or do they just check their brain along with their bags in the airport?
#94
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Unless the wifi providers block the network ports used for various VOIP services (Skype, WhatsApp, FaceTime, etc.), we can expect to see more of this as the high speed internet services become more common.
I admit I've done a VOIP call or two using Apple FaceTime Audio, but I stepped into the galley and was very discrete. The FA looked at me weird and went about her business...
I admit I've done a VOIP call or two using Apple FaceTime Audio, but I stepped into the galley and was very discrete. The FA looked at me weird and went about her business...
#96
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I agree with not making calls. Whether it’s confidential or not seems irrelevant as those conversations shouldn’t be had when people can overhear anywhere, not just on a plane, and the confidential nature doesn’t impose extra harm on the person overhearing.
I think the bigger issue, in terms of my flight experience are couples having loud (or even just medium volume) conversations. In terms of impact,it’s the same on me.
I think the bigger issue, in terms of my flight experience are couples having loud (or even just medium volume) conversations. In terms of impact,it’s the same on me.
#97
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#98
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Funny story. En route to Hong Kong back in Spring 2017; sitting in J, have WiFi for texts messages. We were in the middle of closing a large capital raise so got WiFi for whole flight so could get emails / texts. Somewhere over the pacific I hear this vibrating sound, look over, and my phone is ringing. Had no idea at the time WiFi calling would work; it was our outside counsel and I picked it up out of sheer curiosity. When I said hello, our lead attorney said “oh ...., you missed your flight”. He was calling to leave me a VM assuming I would get it when we landed and when I picked up he assumed I was obviously not in the plane.
After we both laughed for a minute, especially at the fact the quality of the call was better than many times when I was on the ground, we got a bunch covered which allowed me to get other stuff done upon landing and sped the closing up by a day. At the time the FA walks by and I looked up and said “am I allowed to do this??” Which she laughed and said “I had no idea it would work, knock yourself out”.
I kept my voice at a lower level and afterwards the person to my right in the center section and I talked as she was shocked as well. She said if she didn’t see the phone (I had it on my ear, not speaker) she would have assumed I was talking to another pax and it was not at all intrusive and should could not really hear anything clear.
So, all valid points against calls but I guess in my situation my consideration for others around me and the enormous time it saved us it all worked out. YMMV.
Cheers,
TG
After we both laughed for a minute, especially at the fact the quality of the call was better than many times when I was on the ground, we got a bunch covered which allowed me to get other stuff done upon landing and sped the closing up by a day. At the time the FA walks by and I looked up and said “am I allowed to do this??” Which she laughed and said “I had no idea it would work, knock yourself out”.
I kept my voice at a lower level and afterwards the person to my right in the center section and I talked as she was shocked as well. She said if she didn’t see the phone (I had it on my ear, not speaker) she would have assumed I was talking to another pax and it was not at all intrusive and should could not really hear anything clear.
So, all valid points against calls but I guess in my situation my consideration for others around me and the enormous time it saved us it all worked out. YMMV.
Cheers,
TG
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#100
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First, your quoted paragraph does not prohibit it. If one can find a service that works in this capacity, there is nothing prohibiting that person from using it. Secondly, even if it did say VOIP is prohibited, what court is going to rule that a marketing paragraph in a quarterly entertainment magazine is legally binding?
So again, where is the rule that prohibits VOIP calls that everyone keeps citing?
So again, where is the rule that prohibits VOIP calls that everyone keeps citing?
#101
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First, your quoted paragraph does not prohibit it. If one can find a service that works in this capacity, there is nothing prohibiting that person from using it. Secondly, even if it did say VOIP is prohibited, what court is going to rule that a marketing paragraph in a quarterly entertainment magazine is legally binding?
So again, where is the rule that prohibits VOIP calls that everyone keeps citing?
If you fail to comply, they will have the police meet the plane. I don't have to cite the law for failing to comply with a flight attendant's instructions, do I?
#102
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§ 41725. Prohibition on certain cell phone voice communications
“(a) Prohibition.—The Secretary of Transportation shall issue regulations—
“(1) to prohibit an individual on an aircraft from engaging in voice communications using a mobile communications device during a flight of that aircraft in scheduled passenger interstate or intrastate air transportation; and
“(2) that exempt from the prohibition described in paragraph (1) any—
“(A) member of the flight crew on duty on an aircraft;
“(B) flight attendant on duty on an aircraft; and
“(C) Federal law enforcement officer acting in an official capacity.
“(b) Definitions.—In this section, the following definitions apply:
“(1) FLIGHT.—The term ‘flight’ means, with respect to an aircraft, the period beginning when the aircraft takes off and ending when the aircraft lands.
“(2) MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS DEVICE.—
“(A) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘mobile communications device’ means any portable wireless telecommunications equipment utilized for the transmission or reception of voice data.
“(B) LIMITATION.—The term ‘mobile communications device’ does not include a phone installed on an aircraft.”.
“(a) Prohibition.—The Secretary of Transportation shall issue regulations—
“(1) to prohibit an individual on an aircraft from engaging in voice communications using a mobile communications device during a flight of that aircraft in scheduled passenger interstate or intrastate air transportation; and
“(2) that exempt from the prohibition described in paragraph (1) any—
“(A) member of the flight crew on duty on an aircraft;
“(B) flight attendant on duty on an aircraft; and
“(C) Federal law enforcement officer acting in an official capacity.
“(b) Definitions.—In this section, the following definitions apply:
“(1) FLIGHT.—The term ‘flight’ means, with respect to an aircraft, the period beginning when the aircraft takes off and ending when the aircraft lands.
“(2) MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS DEVICE.—
“(A) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘mobile communications device’ means any portable wireless telecommunications equipment utilized for the transmission or reception of voice data.
“(B) LIMITATION.—The term ‘mobile communications device’ does not include a phone installed on an aircraft.”.
#103
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Far from coear as I see a laptop using VoIP prohibited under that definition. Not sure why you think a laptop is excluded. It is mobile and it has wireless capabilities. Nothing about primary purpose in the definition.
never mind, I see we are in agreement
never mind, I see we are in agreement
#105
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Way back in the late 90s when some DB was having a highly confidential but loud convo using his motorola startak flip phone for everyone else in Starbucks to listen to, I went up to him after the call ended and opined that I totally agreed with the startup's strategy but differed one of four points he mentioned and that he should re-consider that action item from the call. His face turned pale; think the lesson was learned. Nowadays, it seems people all over are doing face time and not using headphones, gaming with speakerphone volume on high. The demise of courtesy has been slow but shouldn't be a surprise. If someone has a VOIP call near me on a plane I will make my displeasure known.