AA route changes announced 21 Aug 2018, inc cutting ORD-PVG
Aug 21, 2018, 7:29 pm
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Wow. Sad to see DFW-PBC go. I have business down there that sees me visiting 2 or 3 times a year. Will have to fly those on UA now for those trips.
Have flown PHL-MUC a couple times since I work for a company based in SZG. Never liked the timing with a 4:30 departure, but guess it doesn't matter now.
What will be left at JFK in a couple years? That is really sad to see it all just getting dismantled.
Have flown PHL-MUC a couple times since I work for a company based in SZG. Never liked the timing with a 4:30 departure, but guess it doesn't matter now.
What will be left at JFK in a couple years? That is really sad to see it all just getting dismantled.
Aug 21, 2018, 7:49 pm
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Is there a master list of all the routes with planes? I am sure this is a long shot, but as a newer frequent traveler this would be great to have. Especially if it has aircraft type since I am chasing a few.
Aug 21, 2018, 7:55 pm
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I appreciate that PHL fliers might appreciate this option but the broad *A service to all of Croatia's major airports is far better than a single TATL flight on a janky old 767. I'd much rather fly to FRA, MUC, or VIE and connect on to DBV. From a OneWorld perspective, however, this would be nice as the BA flights to DBV usually go via LGW vs LHR. I visit Croatia at least 2x a year to see family and have completely given up on OW - Star Alliance is far more convenient. Interestingly, my family in Dalmatia isn't too excited about 3 flights a week of Ma and Pa Kettles gearing up for their Game of Thrones Tour in "Kings Landing". My advice - skip Dubrovnik and head south to Montenegro - it's a short drive. And please, no matter what, don't visit Mljet or any of the other islands. They are awful, horrible places... promise... you really won't like them 
Aug 21, 2018, 8:00 pm
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Aug 21, 2018, 8:08 pm
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PRG & BUD can get some Biz traffic and both are the Capital Citys of each country, which isnt the case with DBV
There maybe a cruise here and there that starts in DBV but most start from VCE
If they cant make FRA or MUC work, I just dont see how DBV will work absent the beef= biz travel .
Just cause a US carrier can make $$$ on a Buffalo routing (Niagra Falls) doesnt mean a foreign carrier can make $$ flying non-stop from Europe to Buffalo, which is AA is doing by flying to DBV
There maybe a cruise here and there that starts in DBV but most start from VCE
If they cant make FRA or MUC work, I just dont see how DBV will work absent the beef= biz travel .
Just cause a US carrier can make $$$ on a Buffalo routing (Niagra Falls) doesnt mean a foreign carrier can make $$ flying non-stop from Europe to Buffalo, which is AA is doing by flying to DBV
Aug 21, 2018, 8:11 pm
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It seems clear that PHL is becoming a major TA hub for AA. My guess is that it provides optimal connections from the West and South, but also lets them focus their JFK slots on profitable flights for the NYC market. I wouldn't be shocked to see them widdle JFK down to just LAX, SFO and LHR at the rate they're going. 
AA's already lost the vast majority of my LAX and SFO flying to DL, and this move makes me further inclined to focus on DL as a primary carrier with AA as a backup whereas I'd been doing the opposite for the past two years.
Aug 21, 2018, 8:55 pm
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Do we think this change.org petition had anything to do with the ORD-ATH route? The leader is taking credit and I'm pretty sure it's a lucky coincidence. Thoughts?
Link: https://www.change.org/p/13286196/u/23170134
Link: https://www.change.org/p/13286196/u/23170134
Aug 21, 2018, 9:45 pm
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Agreed as I sit in the Flagship Lounge LAX. PHL is a pretty suck airport, and needs some help. Having flown JFK/ZRH all last year, only to have the service cancelled, I humbly suggest AA upgrade PHL for European connections. CLT and PHL are pretty horrible airports.
Aug 21, 2018, 10:07 pm
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Will miss ORD-PVG
Aug 21, 2018, 10:16 pm
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Do we think this change.org petition had anything to do with the ORD-ATH route? The leader is taking credit and I'm pretty sure it's a lucky coincidence. Thoughts?
Link: https://www.change.org/p/13286196/u/23170134
Link: https://www.change.org/p/13286196/u/23170134
In recent weeks, the momentum was going towards AA, not only with UA's complacency, but the fact that some AA employees(mostly flight attendants) were trying to push things on their end. There is, of course, the petition drive. But also, the EU just recently determined that Greece "was now out of the financial crisis"....which may have been what "pulled the trigger", at AA. It seemed, with that in mind, like AA actually had a plan in the works...….while UA was still stuck in the "Greece is about low-yield vacationers during the summer, that are mostly from New York" mentality.
But who knows? Some or all the factors have figured in. The bottom line is that it is on, and we are glad it's on.
Aug 21, 2018, 10:21 pm
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Aug 21, 2018, 10:27 pm
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Do we think this change.org petition had anything to do with the ORD-ATH route? The leader is taking credit and I'm pretty sure it's a lucky coincidence. Thoughts?
Link: https://www.change.org/p/13286196/u/23170134
Link: https://www.change.org/p/13286196/u/23170134
Aug 21, 2018, 11:37 pm
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Am I wrong that the short version of these changes is: We're getting our clock cleaned internationally in Chicago. And New York. And Most of the German market. But look at all of the shiny international seasonal destinations you can fly to for a few months out of the year! Enjoy your LHR and NRT connections, business travelers!
AA's year round long haul international portfolio out of ORD in particular is now a bad joke. London and Tokyo (3 times a week). With partners serving Madrid and Hong Kong. That's it on a year round basis. Star and United are whomping AA at ORD, and it isn't even close. I feel like there are at least 5 European destinations AA/OW should be able to make work year round from Chicago: London, Madrid, Manchester, Paris, and Dublin. They only do so on two of them. I'm going to hold out hope that maybe in the next few years the 321neo might be a game changer and better able to serve PHL/ORD-BRU/MAN/DUB/CDG/FRA/MUC/HEL/AMS in a way that AA can't clearly do now with the 757/767 clunker fleet.
AA's year round long haul international portfolio out of ORD in particular is now a bad joke. London and Tokyo (3 times a week). With partners serving Madrid and Hong Kong. That's it on a year round basis. Star and United are whomping AA at ORD, and it isn't even close. I feel like there are at least 5 European destinations AA/OW should be able to make work year round from Chicago: London, Madrid, Manchester, Paris, and Dublin. They only do so on two of them. I'm going to hold out hope that maybe in the next few years the 321neo might be a game changer and better able to serve PHL/ORD-BRU/MAN/DUB/CDG/FRA/MUC/HEL/AMS in a way that AA can't clearly do now with the 757/767 clunker fleet.