AA F versus AA J on 77W
Jun 28, 2018, 10:28 am
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: May 2006
Location: London
Programs: BA Lifetime Gold, GGL, SPG Gold , HHonors Diamond ,Marriott Gold Elite
Posts: 567
AA F versus AA J on 77W
Is AA F significantly better than J on the 77W . Travelling on AA105 LHR-JFK. Can you ever get upgrade from J to F with BA Avois ever?
Jun 28, 2018, 10:30 am
#2
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: San Jose, CA
Programs: CX Diamond, AA CK (quit 2018), Starwood Platinum, National EXC Elite
Posts: 283
Jun 28, 2018, 11:39 am
#4
Moderator: American AAdvantage
Join Date: May 2000
Location: NorCal - SMF area
Programs: AA LT Plat; HH LT Diamond, Maître-plongeur des Muccis
Posts: 62,948
B) Avios upgrade? Yes, but... If your ticket meets the criteria (Full-Fare Club World Business with published fares booked in J, D or R on American...) See https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...aster-thd.html
Jun 28, 2018, 11:53 am
#5
Join Date: Oct 2015
Programs: AA: EXP, 1MM Marriott: Ambassador, LTT
Posts: 407
The lie flat bed and bedding is better in F. The food is marginally better, but not decidedly so. You have somewhat more overall personal space in F but, as mentioned, less privacy. Net, net, I would never pay for F as is just isn't worth it. I use systemwide upgrades to get into F but usually not westbound because I don't sleep westbound and if you don't sleep then the bed/bedding difference doesn't come into play and at that point the difference is, in my opinion, negligible.
Jun 28, 2018, 2:36 pm
#6
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: TX
Programs: AA: EXP MR: Ti
Posts: 495
As stated above, my opinion of F is that it is marginally better than J. At no difference in cost to me, sure I'll take the F seat all day. In the real world, the price difference makes J the clear winner.
Jun 28, 2018, 3:11 pm
#7
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: The FT AA forum, until it no longer wants me.
Programs: CK or bust
Posts: 1,913
- First dibs on Barclays applications
- Boarding (in theory and on paper you board after CKs and before J/Executive Plats) - in practice it's a premium cabin/status scrum since there are only eight F passengers and GAs recognize the need to get the first half the plane boarded all at once
- In many cases the food is quite similar to J except that you get a soup and courses are plated separately (for now)
- Your snack bar is separate from the J snack bar
- You de-board after the mini J cabin so someone else can exclaim how different the weather is for you before you leave the aircraft but you're still always physically flying ahead of J and Y so there's that too
- F cabin on the 77W qualifies you for Flagship Dining at LAX, MIA, and JFK (it is actually one of the
reallystandoutonly positive aspects of the AA F ground experience) - Swivel seating if that's really an important thing for you
- You can solicit a cappuccino in F on the 77W whereas J passengers must make do with the regular stuff
- You may come down with terminal swagger, a condition not yet accepted by the medical community (or any community for that matter) in which traveling in F on the 77W makes you a better person than anyone else in the terminal
- It's a great conversation starter and relationship terminator when colleagues or acquaintances start talking about their first time in the J cabin
- Some 77W F passengers have also reported post-flight feelings of no significant difference between J and F but with enough time that can pass too
Last edited by enpremiere; Jun 28, 2018 at 3:17 pm
Jun 28, 2018, 3:38 pm
#8
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Wesley Chapel, FL
Programs: American Airlines
Posts: 30,013
Sitting in 8A currently on flight 79. Don’t really know what the folks 15 feet in me are enjoying over me. Soup perhaps.
Zones 1 & 2 boarded together.
I had access to the first class lounge. Nothing there other than some pork dish and cold soup. I’ll take the taco bar at the dfw AC any day over that.
Whats the price delta for getting that $1.50 additional bowl of soup in F?
Zones 1 & 2 boarded together.
I had access to the first class lounge. Nothing there other than some pork dish and cold soup. I’ll take the taco bar at the dfw AC any day over that.
Whats the price delta for getting that $1.50 additional bowl of soup in F?
Jun 28, 2018, 4:03 pm
#9
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,389
Now it's a 40k difference in AS miles AA F to CX F (110k to 70k) HKG-USA. Uh, hard pass. But AA J HKG-LAX is 70k now, not as unreasonable as AA F is now... and there's actual availability.
Jun 28, 2018, 6:00 pm
#11
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,389
Jun 28, 2018, 6:06 pm
#12
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: TLV now - formerly LAS
Programs: King of Rental Cars, BA Gold, Virgin Gold, AA MM Gold, A3 Gold, SK Gold, Hotel SuperElite
Posts: 7,357
Was 7.5k less AS miles for me going AA F HKG-LAX-SEA early this year as opposed to CX F (plus got FL Dining at LAX). OK, since good lounges at departure and on the connection, sure, spend 62.5k vs. 70k. (AA J was an option at 57.5 k, but then no F lounges either end. 5k to get better lounges and somewhat better hard product, but 7.5k less than a nicer soft/hard product but no shower and worse lounge in LAX? OK. Sold. It's all Monopoly money anyway. Let's try it. It was fine.)
Both AA & CX F passengers get Flagship Dining and Qantas First Class Lounge access in addition to the J lounges. Business class passengers have access to Flagship First buffet and OneWorld Business lounge. All have showers.
Jun 28, 2018, 7:00 pm
#13
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Wesley Chapel, FL
Programs: American Airlines
Posts: 30,013
Was 7.5k less AS miles for me going AA F HKG-LAX-SEA early this year as opposed to CX F (plus got FL Dining at LAX). OK, since good lounges at departure and on the connection, sure, spend 62.5k vs. 70k. (AA J was an option at 57.5 k, but then no F lounges either end. 5k to get better lounges and somewhat better hard product, but 7.5k less than a nicer soft/hard product but no shower and worse lounge in LAX? OK. Sold. It's all Monopoly money anyway. Let's try it. It was fine.)
Now it's a 40k difference in AS miles AA F to CX F (110k to 70k) HKG-USA. Uh, hard pass. But AA J HKG-LAX is 70k now, not as unreasonable as AA F is now... and there's actual availability.
Now it's a 40k difference in AS miles AA F to CX F (110k to 70k) HKG-USA. Uh, hard pass. But AA J HKG-LAX is 70k now, not as unreasonable as AA F is now... and there's actual availability.