Aggressive, Vulgar Behavior from Uniformed Non-AA Pilot Passenger
Jun 8, 2018, 9:17 am
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My $0.02 worth. The pilot was unprofessional and his behavior should not be condoned. It was good that he was reported. The pilot should have merely alerted you to the fact that your conversation was loud enough to bother him and asked nicely for the conversation to be toned down.
That said, it was clear that the OP's conversation was bothering someone in the cabin yet they continued the conversation at the same loudness. What was the thought there? They were entitled to have conversations at night even though it was bothering others? Where's the consideration for others? What would the OP have done if the pilot asked nicely? Responded "Sorry, we have the right to keep others from sleeping"?
That said, it was clear that the OP's conversation was bothering someone in the cabin yet they continued the conversation at the same loudness. What was the thought there? They were entitled to have conversations at night even though it was bothering others? Where's the consideration for others? What would the OP have done if the pilot asked nicely? Responded "Sorry, we have the right to keep others from sleeping"?
Jun 8, 2018, 9:19 am
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Jun 8, 2018, 9:31 am
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Jun 8, 2018, 9:31 am
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Has anyone mentioned 'private jet' yet?
Jun 8, 2018, 9:35 am
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If it was so important for the pilot to have absolute quiet, why didn't he move to one of the other empty seats? Why didn't he ask them to stop conversing?(well, even saying that sounds ridiculous, so I can understand why he didn't do that).
Why go all passive aggressive? I can say that if someone pulls that nonsense on me, my response is to directly ask the person what their problem is.
Why go all passive aggressive? I can say that if someone pulls that nonsense on me, my response is to directly ask the person what their problem is.
Jun 8, 2018, 9:43 am
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Too many variables here for any of us to determine what really happened. And let's face it- people behave certain ways in public (could be a restaurant, movie theater, golf course) where it's possible they don't believe they're doing anything wrong, but to the people around them they're being rude.
The one known is that the pilot was wrong. That behavior is unacceptable by anyone, let alone a uniformed employee of the airline.
BTW- I am of the camp that late night and overnight flights require a higher level of sensitivity to the passengers around them. Talking at a very low level (slightly above a whisper) is fine, especially since (as others have said) passengers need to be prepared for galley and other passenger noises and make preparations (earplugs and noise canceling headsets come to mind). However, carrying on a normal/loud decibel discussion at 11pm in a confined environment such as a plane is probably unnecessary. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
The one known is that the pilot was wrong. That behavior is unacceptable by anyone, let alone a uniformed employee of the airline.
BTW- I am of the camp that late night and overnight flights require a higher level of sensitivity to the passengers around them. Talking at a very low level (slightly above a whisper) is fine, especially since (as others have said) passengers need to be prepared for galley and other passenger noises and make preparations (earplugs and noise canceling headsets come to mind). However, carrying on a normal/loud decibel discussion at 11pm in a confined environment such as a plane is probably unnecessary. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
Jun 8, 2018, 9:57 am
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The OP states no one else was disturbed by the sound level of their conversation. That it was consistent with two people sitting next to one another in a quiet cabin and conversing. You can say that if you want to sleep any disturbance is an impolite imposition. I can say that's pretty damned self-absorbed on public transport, at the level of the Princess and the Pea.
If you want to just ignore the OP's statement and presume that they were actually loud, fine. But this kind of presumption is the most useless thing I see on FT threads. What's the point of making up your own story instead of commenting on the facts as reported? Why not say a leprechaun was hidden in the pilot's footwell and it was this malevolent little green man who was bothering the pilot every time he closed his eyes? There's just as much justification for that theory as for saying these people were shouting at one another.
If you want to just ignore the OP's statement and presume that they were actually loud, fine. But this kind of presumption is the most useless thing I see on FT threads. What's the point of making up your own story instead of commenting on the facts as reported? Why not say a leprechaun was hidden in the pilot's footwell and it was this malevolent little green man who was bothering the pilot every time he closed his eyes? There's just as much justification for that theory as for saying these people were shouting at one another.
Jun 8, 2018, 10:13 am
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The OP states no one else was disturbed by the sound level of their conversation. That it was consistent with two people sitting next to one another in a quiet cabin and conversing. You can say that if you want to sleep any disturbance is an impolite imposition. I can say that's pretty damned self-absorbed on public transport, at the level of the Princess and the Pea.
If you want to just ignore the OP's statement and presume that they were actually loud, fine. But this kind of presumption is the most useless thing I see on FT threads. What's the point of making up your own story instead of commenting on the facts as reported? Why not say a leprechaun was hidden in the pilot's footwell and it was this malevolent little green man who was bothering the pilot every time he closed his eyes? There's just as much justification for that theory as for saying these people were shouting at one another.
If you want to just ignore the OP's statement and presume that they were actually loud, fine. But this kind of presumption is the most useless thing I see on FT threads. What's the point of making up your own story instead of commenting on the facts as reported? Why not say a leprechaun was hidden in the pilot's footwell and it was this malevolent little green man who was bothering the pilot every time he closed his eyes? There's just as much justification for that theory as for saying these people were shouting at one another.
Jun 8, 2018, 10:28 am
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sorry we are not on the same page. I did not comment on this incident. I was responding to one poster arguing 2230 is not night time but evening. You may read my comment buy you did not understand what I was commenting about.
Jun 8, 2018, 10:28 am
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Alcohol was not involved, and no one else in the cabin seemed to be bothered by us at all.
Whether or not it’s a red eye is irrelevant if two pax decide to have a hushed conversation.
...it was so hushed that I don't think I could have [recorded the conversation]. I do have a witness to corroborate.
Jun 8, 2018, 10:31 am
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yes I agree with you. Most people would get on with life without making any comment or show their displeasure. It would be naive for the OP to believe no one else was disturbed. It is entirely possible that other disturbed passenger decided to ignore like most people do. For one, I know I would not do anything in such circumstances but feel disgusted with the behavior. I mean, the poster is colleague with his or her travel companion, they have chances to discuss whatever they are talking in company cafeteria or conference rooms.
Jun 8, 2018, 10:37 am
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i have every right to engage in a conversation at a "reasonable volume that would not disturb others"
Anyways, I am in the school of thought that there's 3 versions of the story out there.... OP's, Pilot's and 3rd party of some sort......
Jun 8, 2018, 10:58 am
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There's no reason an employee/NRSA should be addressing a customer like this......not at all.
Jun 8, 2018, 11:11 am
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OP's description is obviously not entirely correct. If OP was quietly conversing in a manner appropriate to a redeye, the pilot would not have heard them and would not have been asking/telling them to shutup, right? And, then they continued to talk after he said something?
Jun 8, 2018, 11:33 am
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The title of this thread is sensational. He was rude and vulgar. That's not the same as "aggressive" or "threatening".
Travel can bring out the worst in people. Passengers do need to realize that due to the confined space, outside rules don't always apply. I agree that people should be able to converse on an airplane at any time as well as use your reading lamp. It is not a designated sleeper car. It's purpose is not to make sure your well rested upon your arrival. I chose to optimize my schedule so I can spend as much time at home as possible. This means last flight out and first flight home at all sorts of late hours. In doing so I forfeit proper acclimation time at my destination. I certainly don't expect to catch up on my rest on a plane.
Travel can bring out the worst in people. Passengers do need to realize that due to the confined space, outside rules don't always apply. I agree that people should be able to converse on an airplane at any time as well as use your reading lamp. It is not a designated sleeper car. It's purpose is not to make sure your well rested upon your arrival. I chose to optimize my schedule so I can spend as much time at home as possible. This means last flight out and first flight home at all sorts of late hours. In doing so I forfeit proper acclimation time at my destination. I certainly don't expect to catch up on my rest on a plane.
