772 to 77W upgauge - who gets F seats?
May 14, 2018, 11:41 pm
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Agreed. And, why would there be any expectation that non-revs would be moved into F? Is there some contractual reason non-revs would get the opportunity to enjoy F ahead of Y revenue passengers on the upgrade list?
May 15, 2018, 7:34 am
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May 15, 2018, 7:39 am
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Aircraft subs aren't that rare and don't always go to a plane with more seats in each cabin. Since there should be a reasonable number that aren't so "easy", surely there is some sort of process/policy in place.
May 15, 2018, 9:21 am
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The W to J upgrade is a relatively new thing, but AA has in the past operated 3 cabin planes on 2 cabin routes, like the old AA 762s, those had 10/30/128 in F/J/Y. On some flights like JFK-BDA or LAX-IAD, they’d operate 10/158 and on LAX-MIA, they’d operate 40/128. So AA has had experience selling a 3 cabin plane as a virtual 2 cabin before...
May 15, 2018, 9:31 am
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If AA opens up the seating in the F cabin, it would likely treat it as J. If they're not selling F on the route, they're not going to offer F service.
But in any event, this enlarges the J cabin (moreso than even the swap to the 77W which has the largest real J cabin in the fleet), and so from that perspective there is additional opportunity for revenue Y passengers on the waitlist/standby list to be cleared into J as well as opportunity for nonrevs to clear into J. Everyone wins, really.
The question really is who gets assigned the "better" seats in J (the seats-otherwise-known-as-F-seats). The pax who originally had booked rows 1/2 on the 772? EXPs then PlatPros? Full J/D fares? Nonrevs? Nobody? Whoever asks at the gate? Lots of possibilities.
May 15, 2018, 9:50 am
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May 15, 2018, 9:50 am
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I think the original non-rev comment was tongue-in-cheek.
If AA opens up the seating in the F cabin, it would likely treat it as J. If they're not selling F on the route, they're not going to offer F service.
But in any event, this enlarges the J cabin (moreso than even the swap to the 77W which has the largest real J cabin in the fleet), and so from that perspective there is additional opportunity for revenue Y passengers on the waitlist/standby list to be cleared into J as well as opportunity for nonrevs to clear into J. Everyone wins, really.
The question really is who gets assigned the "better" seats in J (the seats-otherwise-known-as-F-seats). The pax who originally had booked rows 1/2 on the 772? EXPs then PlatPros? Full J/D fares? Nonrevs? Nobody? Whoever asks at the gate? Lots of possibilities.
If AA opens up the seating in the F cabin, it would likely treat it as J. If they're not selling F on the route, they're not going to offer F service.
But in any event, this enlarges the J cabin (moreso than even the swap to the 77W which has the largest real J cabin in the fleet), and so from that perspective there is additional opportunity for revenue Y passengers on the waitlist/standby list to be cleared into J as well as opportunity for nonrevs to clear into J. Everyone wins, really.
The question really is who gets assigned the "better" seats in J (the seats-otherwise-known-as-F-seats). The pax who originally had booked rows 1/2 on the 772? EXPs then PlatPros? Full J/D fares? Nonrevs? Nobody? Whoever asks at the gate? Lots of possibilities.
Similar, but it may work this way here. J service, first come first serve for the F seats.
May 15, 2018, 2:23 pm
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Given that there will be up to 8 pax already assigned in rows 1 & 2, it's certainly possible (and maybe even likely, if I had to guess) that they'll just get to keep those seats on the new aircraft.
May 15, 2018, 3:05 pm
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Used to get this regularly between LAX and EWR. Loved the Capt. Kirk woolly mammoth seat!
May 15, 2018, 3:07 pm
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May 15, 2018, 3:10 pm
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772's have been upgauged to 77W's a few times in the past 2 weeks ex-DFW, actually.
Look at AA48's history recently, and AA997 was a 77W sub in a couple of nights ago.
Thus, I wouldn't be surprised to see DFW-AMS upgauged for some reason.
AA is utilizing the 772's really highly right now, it seems. I believe DFW is sending out 18 777's per day right now alone.
Look at AA48's history recently, and AA997 was a 77W sub in a couple of nights ago.
Thus, I wouldn't be surprised to see DFW-AMS upgauged for some reason.
AA is utilizing the 772's really highly right now, it seems. I believe DFW is sending out 18 777's per day right now alone.
May 15, 2018, 3:49 pm
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Pretty sure they rope off the F cabin and it usually goes out empty in these situations. F seats would be allocated if the plane change also resulted in a smaller J cabin.
May 15, 2018, 5:42 pm
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It was showing for the 5/15 flight for about a day and then switched back to the normal 772. As I mentioned in my original post things change all the time up until departure so I wasn’t expecting the 77W to stick.