How come no AA nonstop ORD-AMS?

Old May 3, 18, 5:32 am
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How come no AA nonstop ORD-AMS?

Just was curious if anyone knows why there is such little capacity nonstop to AMS out of ORD? There is only a KLM 744 combi and a UA 763 on this route.

Surely there is more demand on this route that AA could put a 788 or 763 on it I would think?

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Old May 3, 18, 5:36 am
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AA fails on lots of international routes that UA makes work out of ORD. Just look at route announcements this week.

Alternately, this is a list of international routes from ORD that AA has tried and dropped or reduced, as noted by an a.net poster:

fAAilure at ORD:

ARN: Can't compete with SK
BHX: Gone
BRU: Gone (at one time was a 777)
CDG: Now seasonal
DEL: AI killed the yields, but the flight was packed.
DME: Started with a 777 due to 767 unable to land there. But still a dog.
DUS: Can't compete with UA/LH JV
EZE: Only worked in Dec.
FRA: Can't compete with UA/LH JV
GLA: Gone
HEL: Moved to AY
MAN: Struggling, down to a few months a year
MEX: Gone
MUC: Can't compete with UA/LH JV
MXP: Gone
NGO: No yields. Filled the back, but not the front.
PEK: Going away.
STN: Gone
YKF: Gone
YWG: Gone
ZRH: Gone
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Old May 3, 18, 6:13 am
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With a *A hub on one end and a SkyTeam hub on the other, it's not surprising that AA has stayed away.
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Old May 3, 18, 6:38 am
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Originally Posted by MSP_Monopoly View Post
Just was curious if anyone knows why their is such little capacity nonstop to AMS out of ORD? There is only a KLM 744 combi and a UA 763 on this route.

Surely there is more demand on this route that AA could put a 788 or 763 on it I would think?
Is there was more demand, KL or UA would already another plane on it.
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme View Post
AA fails on lots of international routes that UA makes work out of ORD. Just look at route announcements this week.

Alternately, this is a list of international routes from ORD that AA has tried and dropped or reduced, as noted by an a.net poster:

fAAilure at ORD:

ARN: Can't compete with SK
BHX: Gone
BRU: Gone (at one time was a 777)
CDG: Now seasonal
DEL: AI killed the yields, but the flight was packed.
DME: Started with a 777 due to 767 unable to land there. But still a dog.
DUS: Can't compete with UA/LH JV
EZE: Only worked in Dec.
FRA: Can't compete with UA/LH JV
GLA: Gone
HEL: Moved to AY
MAN: Struggling, down to a few months a year
MEX: Gone
MUC: Can't compete with UA/LH JV
MXP: Gone
NGO: No yields. Filled the back, but not the front.
PEK: Going away.
STN: Gone
YKF: Gone
YWG: Gone
ZRH: Gone
wow - this list makes it seem even more depressing then I thought.
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Old May 3, 18, 7:38 am
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Originally Posted by neo_781 View Post
wow - this list makes it seem even more depressing then I thought.
Bit I don’t ever recall BRU being a 777. I flew there on a 763 a number of times.

In any case, PHL has some of those coveted, and AA apparently seems satisfied with pax connection ting there.
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Old May 3, 18, 8:10 am
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AA flies DFW-AMS. AA tends to prefer DFW for central US to Europe flights.
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The main answer to the question is very simple, AA biggest partner BA is in LHR, and that is where they will fly to Europe and connect from there. UA has LH over Germany, SK in Scandinavian, LO in Poland, and others; DL has AF on France, KL on the Netherlands, AZ in Italy. There is no other big 1W hub in Europe other than LHR where AA can make it. The European flyer will prefer the local home carrier or its alliance partner to take him to/from the US, most EU carriers are not 1W.

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Old May 3, 18, 8:20 am
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It is interesting. I would have imagined the legacies would all have at least a flight to LHR, AMS, CDG and FRA from all their big hubs, even if operated by a partner (i.e. their European 'twin'). AA definitely doesn't even come close though. United and Delta also have their 'gaps' but still seem to have a more complete route network to the major European airports. It's not just ORD either..AA doesn't offer New York to AMS or FRA either.
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Old May 3, 18, 8:23 am
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Originally Posted by arollins View Post
The main answer to the question is very simple, AA biggest partner BA is in LHR, and that is where they will fly to Europe and connect from there. UA has LH over Germany, SK in Scandinavian, LO in Poland, and others; DL has AF on France, KL on the Netherlands, AZ in Italy. There is no other big 1W hub in Europe other than LHR where AA can make it.
United's biggest partner in Europe is Lufthansa..so by that notion they should only fly to Frankfurt and Munich then from ORD. But they do offer AMS, CDG and LHR. Delta's biggest partners are KLM and AF..so they should only fly to CDG and AMS..but they do offer..for example..DTW to FRA.
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Old May 3, 18, 8:33 am
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca View Post
United's biggest partner in Europe is Lufthansa..so by that notion they should only fly to Frankfurt and Munich then from ORD. But they do offer AMS, CDG and LHR. Delta's biggest partners are KLM and AF..so they should only fly to CDG and AMS..but they do offer..for example..DTW to FRA.
True, but my point was more on how alliance hubs are in other parts, for 1W its LHR but for others, they have several, thus allowing more connections and non-stop service. AA should certainly have more direct flights to some of the bigger EUR cities, but for some reason, its not happening.
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Old May 3, 18, 8:43 am
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca View Post
It is interesting. I would have imagined the legacies would all have at least a flight to LHR, AMS, CDG and FRA from all their big hubs, even if operated by a partner (i.e. their European 'twin'). AA definitely doesn't even come close though. United and Delta also have their 'gaps' but still seem to have a more complete route network to the major European airports. It's not just ORD either..AA doesn't offer New York to AMS or FRA either.
AA doesn't have a European Twin other than BA.
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Old May 3, 18, 9:02 am
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AA doesn't have a European Twin other than BA.
A somewhat unfortunate shortcoming of the Oneworld alliance.
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme View Post
AA fails on lots of international routes that UA makes work out of ORD. Just look at route announcements this week.

Alternately, this is a list of international routes from ORD that AA has tried and dropped or reduced, as noted by an a.net poster:

fAAilure at ORD:

ARN: Can't compete with SK
BHX: Gone
BRU: Gone (at one time was a 777)
CDG: Now seasonal
DEL: AI killed the yields, but the flight was packed.
DME: Started with a 777 due to 767 unable to land there. But still a dog.
DUS: Can't compete with UA/LH JV
EZE: Only worked in Dec.
FRA: Can't compete with UA/LH JV
GLA: Gone
HEL: Moved to AY
MAN: Struggling, down to a few months a year
MEX: Gone
MUC: Can't compete with UA/LH JV
MXP: Gone
NGO: No yields. Filled the back, but not the front.
PEK: Going away.
STN: Gone
YKF: Gone
YWG: Gone
ZRH: Gone
wow- had no idea they had all of these routes at one point - would be interesting to see the years these operated - most I think have to have been well over 10-15 years ago. It might be time to try again!
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Old May 3, 18, 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme View Post
AA fails on lots of international routes that UA makes work out of ORD. Just look at route announcements this week.

Alternately, this is a list of international routes from ORD that AA has tried and dropped or reduced, as noted by an a.net poster:

fAAilure at ORD:

ARN: Can't compete with SK
BHX: Gone
BRU: Gone (at one time was a 777)
CDG: Now seasonal
DEL: AI killed the yields, but the flight was packed.
DME: Started with a 777 due to 767 unable to land there. But still a dog.
DUS: Can't compete with UA/LH JV
EZE: Only worked in Dec.
FRA: Can't compete with UA/LH JV
GLA: Gone
HEL: Moved to AY
MAN: Struggling, down to a few months a year
MEX: Gone
MUC: Can't compete with UA/LH JV
MXP: Gone
NGO: No yields. Filled the back, but not the front.
PEK: Going away.
STN: Gone
YKF: Gone
YWG: Gone
ZRH: Gone
When do they fly to DME?
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