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Old Apr 20, 2018, 10:38 pm
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They wouldn’t want any award travelers crashing the non-rev party up front.
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Old Apr 20, 2018, 10:44 pm
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Originally Posted by PDBDrinker
They wouldn’t want any award travelers crashing the non-rev party up front.
Yeah I'm sure that AA RM is sitting there thinking we could A) open some seats up since we are unlikely to sell them in the next 24 hours (as you see they have done for tomorrow ) which also allows us to move some miles off our books or B) hold seats open for non-revs to piss off FF while simultaneously not removing some liabilities from our books x1000
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Old Apr 21, 2018, 1:37 am
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Originally Posted by PDBDrinker
They wouldn’t want any award travelers crashing the non-rev party up front.
conspiracy theory always attracks attention but could not produce any evidence. So I am calling you to present evidence of your statement.
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Old Apr 21, 2018, 7:55 am
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F7s T-1 on three SFO routes and not one award seat released! Now that's stingy.
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Old Apr 21, 2018, 8:08 am
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Originally Posted by lobo411
It's actually not that hard to figure out how many sAAver awards AA will release. With very few exceptions the formula is, where "n" = the number of sAAver seats released:

n = 0
Isn't Math wonderful? It is so ... constant.
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Old Apr 21, 2018, 8:11 am
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Originally Posted by ChuckMango
F7s T-1 on three SFO routes and not one award seat released! Now that's stingy.
Yeh, but what are the loads going out? If they sold everything it just shows the success of the Revenue Management algorithms.
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Old Apr 21, 2018, 8:49 am
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Originally Posted by ChuckMango
F7s T-1 on three SFO routes and not one award seat released! Now that's stingy.
Must be nice for the passengers in that cabin who actually paid for their tickets @:-)
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Old Apr 21, 2018, 9:00 am
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme
Yeh, but what are the loads going out? If they sold everything it just shows the success of the Revenue Management algorithms.
Don't look spectacular that's for sure. Cabin that is completely unsold can't be good for business.
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Old Apr 21, 2018, 9:01 am
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Originally Posted by rjw242
Must be nice for the passengers in that cabin who actually paid for their tickets @:-)
There aren't any! ha
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Old Apr 21, 2018, 9:03 am
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Pretty poor actually:

AA 200SFO
04/22/18 3:30 PMJFK
04/23/18 12:12 AM32B
Su,M,T,W,Th,F
84% / 39mF7 A6 J2 D1 I0 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 G3
V4 S0 N0 Q0 O0 E7


0 Connections

AA 2760SFO
04/22/18 10:12 PMJFK
04/23/18 7:00 AM32B
Su,M,T,W,Th,F
88% / 17mF7 A7 J2 D0 I0 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 G7
V7 S5 N5 Q5 O7 E7


0 Connections

AA 180SFO
04/22/18 11:30 PMJFK
04/23/18 8:20 AM32B
Daily
83% / 29mF7 A7 J2 D1 I0 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 G7
V7 S7 N7 Q7 O7 E7
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Old Apr 21, 2018, 12:46 pm
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Originally Posted by lobo411
I'm saying AAdvantage is a shadow of its former self. Where they once had very good award availability, they now have almost none. It's the same--that is, awful--at T-330 as it is at T-1.
Saver is what AAdvantage was originally conceived as when it was the first true FFP. Seats which the carrier can't or isn't likely to sell. It's hardly a "shadow", it's a reflection of an economy on screech.

AA is far better off overbooking in high Y / J fare buckets and using OPUP's to avoid an oversold cabin than releasing the saver seats early.
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Old Apr 21, 2018, 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Often1
Saver is what AAdvantage was originally conceived as when it was the first true FFP. Seats which the carrier can't or isn't likely to sell. It's hardly a "shadow", it's a reflection of an economy on screech.

AA is far better off overbooking in high Y / J fare buckets and using OPUP's to avoid an oversold cabin than releasing the saver seats early.
And that's fair enough but t-1 is early? With an empty plane to boot?

AA 200SFO
04/22/18
3:30 PMJFK
04/23/18
12:12 AM32BSu,M,T,W,Th,F
84% / 39mFirst - AAnytime Award (for 3 cabin flights only)F7
First - MileSAAver Award (for 3 cabin flights only)Z0
Business - MileSAAver Award (Including 2-Cabin Domestic First)U0

0 ConnectionsAA 2760SFO
04/22/18
10:12 PMJFK
04/23/18
7:00 AM32BSu,M,T,W,Th,F
88% / 17mFirst - AAnytime Award (for 3 cabin flights only)F7
First - MileSAAver Award (for 3 cabin flights only)Z0
Business - MileSAAver Award (Including 2-Cabin Domestic First)U0

0 ConnectionsAA 180SFO
04/22/18
11:30 PMJFK
04/23/18
8:20 AM32BDaily
83% / 29mFirst - AAnytime Award (for 3 cabin flights only)F7
First - MileSAAver Award (for 3 cabin flights only)Z0
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Old Apr 21, 2018, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Often1
Saver is what AAdvantage was originally conceived as when it was the first true FFP. Seats which the carrier can't or isn't likely to sell. It's hardly a "shadow", it's a reflection of an economy on screech.

AA is far better off overbooking in high Y / J fare buckets and using OPUP's to avoid an oversold cabin than releasing the saver seats early.
I don't buy that characterization of the original FFP. They gave them on all flights - it's true sold out flights were much rarer, but they weren't hoping for ZERO redemptions. That's what they are hoping for now.
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Old Apr 21, 2018, 2:19 pm
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Originally Posted by beachfan
I don't buy that characterization of the original FFP. They gave them on all flights - it's true sold out flights were much rarer, but they weren't hoping for ZERO redemptions. That's what they are hoping for now.
Which i do not understand. At T1, you aren't going to sell 7 seats in F. So why not let someone burn miles and get them off the backlog?

it doesnt cost extra to put someone there
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Old Apr 21, 2018, 4:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Often1
AA is far better off overbooking in high Y / J fare buckets and using OPUP's to avoid an oversold cabin than releasing the saver seats early.
This.

They may not do a ton of revenue F, but they can sell the heck out of corporate J and flexible Y on those routes. Roll 'em over and you have an extra 7-10 J/Y tix you can sell.

As someone with AA miles to use I don't like it either, but that's business...
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