Is AA actively trying to kill SFO-LAX?!
Mar 1, 2018, 9:24 am
#16
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I lived at L. A. for 12 years and It is hard to read what is AA's plan for intra-west coast flights.
I understand Southwest dominates intra-California market. L.A. - S.F. is both end with large metropolitan area served by multiple airports. Southwest has non-stop flights between various airports pairs between L.A. - S.F. which makes very convenient for travelers between L.A. and S.F. area. Simply having LAX - SFO is not enough to compete in L.A. - S.F. market.
When AA acquired AirCal in 1987, then AA acquired Reno Air in 1999, each time looked as AA was serious about West Coast operation but soon after the acquisition intra West Caost routes started shrinking.
Yes, there is an example of LAX - LAS going to EAAgle then later return to main line but that is exception. LAX - SJC is tough to blame AA because that was dot com bubble bursting.
I understand Southwest dominates intra-California market. L.A. - S.F. is both end with large metropolitan area served by multiple airports. Southwest has non-stop flights between various airports pairs between L.A. - S.F. which makes very convenient for travelers between L.A. and S.F. area. Simply having LAX - SFO is not enough to compete in L.A. - S.F. market.
When AA acquired AirCal in 1987, then AA acquired Reno Air in 1999, each time looked as AA was serious about West Coast operation but soon after the acquisition intra West Caost routes started shrinking.
Yes, there is an example of LAX - LAS going to EAAgle then later return to main line but that is exception. LAX - SJC is tough to blame AA because that was dot com bubble bursting.
Mar 1, 2018, 9:34 am
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I lived at L. A. for 12 years and It is hard to read what is AA's plan for intra-west coast flights.
I understand Southwest dominates intra-California market. L.A. - S.F. is both end with large metropolitan area served by multiple airports. Southwest has non-stop flights between various airports pairs between L.A. - S.F. which makes very convenient for travelers between L.A. and S.F. area. Simply having LAX - SFO is not enough to compete in L.A. - S.F. market.
When AA acquired AirCal in 1987, then AA acquired Reno Air in 1999, each time looked as AA was serious about West Coast operation but soon after the acquisition intra West Caost routes started shrinking.
Yes, there is an example of LAX - LAS going to EAAgle then later return to main line but that is exception. LAX - SJC is tough to blame AA because that was dot com bubble bursting.
I understand Southwest dominates intra-California market. L.A. - S.F. is both end with large metropolitan area served by multiple airports. Southwest has non-stop flights between various airports pairs between L.A. - S.F. which makes very convenient for travelers between L.A. and S.F. area. Simply having LAX - SFO is not enough to compete in L.A. - S.F. market.
When AA acquired AirCal in 1987, then AA acquired Reno Air in 1999, each time looked as AA was serious about West Coast operation but soon after the acquisition intra West Caost routes started shrinking.
Yes, there is an example of LAX - LAS going to EAAgle then later return to main line but that is exception. LAX - SJC is tough to blame AA because that was dot com bubble bursting.
Mar 1, 2018, 9:36 am
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Flying into or out of the "Eagle's Nest" is not ideal. However, with the addition of the Admirals Club, and the smaller shuttle buses which run frequently and promptly compared to what they replaced, the "Nest" experience is vastly improved.
Furthermore, arriving "early" and then waiting for a gate regularly happens at T4 and T5.
Furthermore, arriving "early" and then waiting for a gate regularly happens at T4 and T5.
Mar 1, 2018, 9:43 am
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AA and UA have comparable schedules: AA has a 10:35 SFO-LAX and 10:55 LAX-SFO. It's true that the E175s are plenty comfortable and the flight crew is quite friendly, but the extra overhead is really unacceptable. (On a SFO-LAX flight again waiting for a gate, surprise surprise...)
Mar 1, 2018, 9:48 am
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Yes, the bus situation has somewhat improved. Unfortunately, it still isn't the most pleasant experience, and there are times you can find yourself waiting up to 10m for a bus.
Mar 1, 2018, 10:02 am
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Eagle shuttle line
Line goes all the way to the AC
Mar 1, 2018, 10:13 am
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shuttle is required to connect. It's the bottle neck we all hate when delayed leaving SFO or waiting on the field in LA for a gate. All too often I'm use to aiming for the 5:30 pm flight knowing full well that the 7 or 8:30 flight out of SFO will connect with my flight to Asia. I've convinced myself that it just allows me more time to enjoy Qantas FL that much longer if I'm on the 5:30 departure!
Mar 1, 2018, 10:19 am
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Mar 1, 2018, 10:47 am
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thats awful! Never saw it that bad. What time was it?
Mar 1, 2018, 10:51 am
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Mar 1, 2018, 11:14 am
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No, the proposed people mover will run landside and connect all terminals to the remote parking, rental car, and ground transportation facilities. The Eagle's Nest is connected to T4 and T5 airside by these shuttle buses; these buses will be the only way to get to and from the Nest as long as it's in operation.
Mar 1, 2018, 11:15 am
#29
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I agree that it is NOT "not a big deal", at least on the LAX side of things, mainly due to the eagle's nest issue. (gate valet checked bags to wait for, bus wait, bus transit time, etc). And this is particularly true for a commuter hop LAX-SFO.
I did not mind the eagle's nest when connecting from SAN to a long haul from LAX though (but for a long haul, the eagle's nest bus ride is less than 5% of total trip time)
And then there is also having to circle around half the airport to get to LAX T4/T5, which can add easily 15-20 mins to the airport ride.
For me, WN is a no brainer for this 1.5 hrs flight. And WN is at LAX T1, the first terminal as you enter the airport (shave 15 mins to your airport commute time).
Or DL.
Unless AA is significantly cheaper than the above.
(LAX-SFO flights don't do much for me if chasing EQM or EQD)
I did not mind the eagle's nest when connecting from SAN to a long haul from LAX though (but for a long haul, the eagle's nest bus ride is less than 5% of total trip time)
And then there is also having to circle around half the airport to get to LAX T4/T5, which can add easily 15-20 mins to the airport ride.
For me, WN is a no brainer for this 1.5 hrs flight. And WN is at LAX T1, the first terminal as you enter the airport (shave 15 mins to your airport commute time).
Or DL.
Unless AA is significantly cheaper than the above.
(LAX-SFO flights don't do much for me if chasing EQM or EQD)
Mar 1, 2018, 11:21 am
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ugh the nest. The worst is when you have to remote stand at the Eagles nest. Then it is a bus to the nest followed by a bus to T4.
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