Earlier Transatlantic Departure Times from PHL
Jan 30, 2018, 9:42 am
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Earlier Transatlantic Departure Times from PHL
Hi all,
Anyone else noticed that for the summer, a few TATL departure times from PHL seem rather early?
ATH - 16:30
MUC - 16:30
MAD - 17:10
MUC is really the one I've noticed as it makes connecting from DCA quite annoying (only a 08:24 flight connects). Is this due to the new BUD and PRG flights?
Anyone else noticed that for the summer, a few TATL departure times from PHL seem rather early?
ATH - 16:30
MUC - 16:30
MAD - 17:10
MUC is really the one I've noticed as it makes connecting from DCA quite annoying (only a 08:24 flight connects). Is this due to the new BUD and PRG flights?
Jan 30, 2018, 10:39 am
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Hi all,
Anyone else noticed that for the summer, a few TATL departure times from PHL seem rather early?
ATH - 16:30
MUC - 16:30
MAD - 17:10
MUC is really the one I've noticed as it makes connecting from DCA quite annoying (only a 08:24 flight connects). Is this due to the new BUD and PRG flights?
Anyone else noticed that for the summer, a few TATL departure times from PHL seem rather early?
ATH - 16:30
MUC - 16:30
MAD - 17:10
MUC is really the one I've noticed as it makes connecting from DCA quite annoying (only a 08:24 flight connects). Is this due to the new BUD and PRG flights?
Jan 30, 2018, 11:13 am
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I believe ATH has always been relatively early. I did not realize MUC and MAD were that early. The current winter timing for PHL-MAD is a 6:50pm departure and PHL-MUC a 6:45pm departure. The 6pm hour during the summer is packed with TA departures so they might need to space some flights out.
Jan 30, 2018, 4:21 pm
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ATH has always been an early flight. 4:30 is actually a little later, as a couple summers ago when I took it, it was at 4:10. Since the flight is longer, you land in ATH at around 9:00a local, which isn't too bad. But I agree that for MUC and MAD, those times seem ridiculously early. As others have said, it could be due to scheduling restrictions, however this summer's TATL schedule isn't the busiest it's been (as in years past flights have also operated to TLV, BRU, OSL, MXP, EDI, BHX, and ARN during the summer season and PHL has accommodated them just fine).
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Jan 30, 2018, 4:36 pm
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ATH has always been an early flight. 4:30 is actually a little later, as a couple summers ago when I took it, it was at 4:10. Since the flight is longer, you land in ATH at around 9:00a local, which isn't too bad. But I agree that for MUC and MAD, those times seem ridiculously early. As others have said, it could be due to scheduling restrictions, however this summer's TATL schedule isn't the busiest it's been (as in years past flights have also operated to TLV, BRU, SNN, OSL, MXP, EDI, BHX, and ARN during the summer season and PHL has accommodated them just fine).
Jan 30, 2018, 7:06 pm
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There always used to be a 4pm hour bank of flights to Europe in the summertime. IIRC, when US flew PHL-MXP, it also used to depart around that time of day.
Jan 30, 2018, 7:34 pm
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ATH has always been an early flight. 4:30 is actually a little later, as a couple summers ago when I took it, it was at 4:10. Since the flight is longer, you land in ATH at around 9:00a local, which isn't too bad. But I agree that for MUC and MAD, those times seem ridiculously early. As others have said, it could be due to scheduling restrictions, however this summer's TATL schedule isn't the busiest it's been (as in years past flights have also operated to TLV, BRU, SNN, OSL, MXP, EDI, BHX, and ARN during the summer season and PHL has accommodated them just fine).
Jan 31, 2018, 5:07 am
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I have a flight to ATH in late May originating from DCA. I did not want to take that early flight to PHL from DCA so I am taking a 10:50 am flight to CLT and a flight from CLT to PHL to connect. It is a mini-mileage run. I hoping that schedule changes including a later added flight to PHL (around noon would be great) will allow me at some point to avoid a mini-mileage run.
Jan 31, 2018, 8:16 am
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6/25 TA departures by hour
4:00 - 5:00
ATH, MUC
5:00 - 6:00
MAD, DUB (EI), FRA (LH)
6:00 - 7:00
FRA, FCO, ZRH, VCE, BCN, LHR (BA), AMS, PRG, BUD
7:00 - 8:00
LHR (AA), GLA
8:00 - 9:00
LHR (AA), DOH (QR)
9:00 - 10:00
CDG, LHR (BA), DUB, SNN, LIS
So there is a bit of a log jam in the 6pm hour.
4:00 - 5:00
ATH, MUC
5:00 - 6:00
MAD, DUB (EI), FRA (LH)
6:00 - 7:00
FRA, FCO, ZRH, VCE, BCN, LHR (BA), AMS, PRG, BUD
7:00 - 8:00
LHR (AA), GLA
8:00 - 9:00
LHR (AA), DOH (QR)
9:00 - 10:00
CDG, LHR (BA), DUB, SNN, LIS
So there is a bit of a log jam in the 6pm hour.
Jan 31, 2018, 9:19 am
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These early departure times are awful. I flew AA 100 from JFK-LHR over Christmas. I think it left at 1800. We pulled into the gate at 5 am way too early and your day is shot because it's too early. I will now take the late 10 pm flight if possible.
Jan 31, 2018, 11:29 am
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Somewhat off-topic, but I wonder how long AA and BA can sustain so much capacity to LHR - 3 daily flights, and another 3x weekly BA flight coming this May? Here's the seat map for AA 736 yesterday (1/30), about 30 min prior to departure - so pretty much everyone booked on that flight should have had seat assignments already.
The late AA flight to LHR wasn't much better, and today's flight load is also pretty light.
J is mostly full, with only a few seats unassigned (J2 R1 D1 I0 today).. Does J cabin actually pay for the entire flight?
The late AA flight to LHR wasn't much better, and today's flight load is also pretty light.
J is mostly full, with only a few seats unassigned (J2 R1 D1 I0 today).. Does J cabin actually pay for the entire flight?
Jan 31, 2018, 12:03 pm
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Somewhat off-topic, but I wonder how long AA and BA can sustain so much capacity to LHR - 3 daily flights, and another 3x weekly BA flight coming this May? Here's the seat map for AA 736 yesterday (1/30), about 30 min prior to departure - so pretty much everyone booked on that flight should have had seat assignments already.
The late AA flight to LHR wasn't much better, and today's flight load is also pretty light.
J is mostly full, with only a few seats unassigned (J2 R1 D1 I0 today).. Does J cabin actually pay for the entire flight?
The late AA flight to LHR wasn't much better, and today's flight load is also pretty light.
J is mostly full, with only a few seats unassigned (J2 R1 D1 I0 today).. Does J cabin actually pay for the entire flight?
I'm flying JFK-HEL tomorrow, at this time there's maybe 30 seats tops taken in the back of the AY A330.