AA Travel Visa Errors and Issues for Two Honeymooners
#46
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From what I can see, the OP has not clarified exactly what the visa stated - until the OP states what the exact details of documentation held stated, it is speculation - asserting that AA was in the wrong without the information , seems flawed
AA may have been in the wrong or it may not have been
AA may have been in the wrong or it may not have been
#47
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Since OP does say both of the relevant embassies repeatedly confirmed the visa was correct for the itinerary, I think we can safely stop getting caught up in the very FT-esque speculation about whether this was the unicorn of a Schengen C visa with limited territorial validity.....
Again, the OP or traveler has the opportunity to put together a claim with substantiating documentation and sending it to the AA Ececutive Offices. Directed and informed action rather than speculation.
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#50
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Interpretation, when required, is always at the discretion of the interpreter. These rules and how they are presented within AA's system are not so simple that confusion is only the result of idiocy.
#51
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I verified and Lisa's Schengen Visa does say Etats Schengen. If this is the case, then why did the Timatic system deny Lisa boarding?
Also, we have written to AA several times within the last 6 months. They did provide some compensation, but not full compensation. To me, it is the principal - Lisa went to three embassies to make sure that she did have proper documentation. She did - Etats Schengen. We recieved a letter from the Italian embassy verifying that her Visa was worded the way that they wanted and even stated in their letter that American Airlines was wrong to deny boarding. We are being told that we did everything right and that American screwed up. If this is the case, we just want American to make Lisa and Joe "whole." Why should Lisa and Joe foot the bill for American's mistakes?
Also, we have written to AA several times within the last 6 months. They did provide some compensation, but not full compensation. To me, it is the principal - Lisa went to three embassies to make sure that she did have proper documentation. She did - Etats Schengen. We recieved a letter from the Italian embassy verifying that her Visa was worded the way that they wanted and even stated in their letter that American Airlines was wrong to deny boarding. We are being told that we did everything right and that American screwed up. If this is the case, we just want American to make Lisa and Joe "whole." Why should Lisa and Joe foot the bill for American's mistakes?
#52
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I verified and Lisa's Schengen Visa does say Etats Schengen. If this is the case, then why did the Timatic system deny Lisa boarding?
Also, we have written to AA several times within the last 6 months. They did provide some compensation, but not full compensation. To me, it is the principal - Lisa went to three embassies to make sure that she did have proper documentation. She did - Etats Schengen. We recieved a letter from the Italian embassy verifying that her Visa was worded the way that they wanted and even stated in their letter that American Airlines was wrong to deny boarding. We are being told that we did everything right and that American screwed up. If this is the case, we just want American to make Lisa and Joe "whole." Why should Lisa and Joe foot the bill for American's mistakes?
Also, we have written to AA several times within the last 6 months. They did provide some compensation, but not full compensation. To me, it is the principal - Lisa went to three embassies to make sure that she did have proper documentation. She did - Etats Schengen. We recieved a letter from the Italian embassy verifying that her Visa was worded the way that they wanted and even stated in their letter that American Airlines was wrong to deny boarding. We are being told that we did everything right and that American screwed up. If this is the case, we just want American to make Lisa and Joe "whole." Why should Lisa and Joe foot the bill for American's mistakes?
There was a case not so long ago where an AA employee improperly denied boarding over a visa issue with China. In that case, it was AA incorrectly interpreting China's transit without visa waiver. It took reaching out to AA on twitter to get the complaint routed to the proper department, but AA eventually made them whole.
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#53
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Take that documentation and write to the people and addresses that JDiver listed above, and be clear that you have also prepared complaints with the DOT and are ready to pursue the compensation in court.
Also, if you are not the wronged party, make sure it is the wronged party who is actually communicating directly with AA, the DOT and the court.
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I verified and Lisa's Schengen Visa does say Etats Schengen. If this is the case, then why did the Timatic system deny Lisa boarding?
Also, we have written to AA several times within the last 6 months. They did provide some compensation, but not full compensation. To me, it is the principal - Lisa went to three embassies to make sure that she did have proper documentation. She did - Etats Schengen. We recieved a letter from the Italian embassy verifying that her Visa was worded the way that they wanted and even stated in their letter that American Airlines was wrong to deny boarding. We are being told that we did everything right and that American screwed up. If this is the case, we just want American to make Lisa and Joe "whole." Why should Lisa and Joe foot the bill for American's mistakes?
Also, we have written to AA several times within the last 6 months. They did provide some compensation, but not full compensation. To me, it is the principal - Lisa went to three embassies to make sure that she did have proper documentation. She did - Etats Schengen. We recieved a letter from the Italian embassy verifying that her Visa was worded the way that they wanted and even stated in their letter that American Airlines was wrong to deny boarding. We are being told that we did everything right and that American screwed up. If this is the case, we just want American to make Lisa and Joe "whole." Why should Lisa and Joe foot the bill for American's mistakes?
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Since OP does say both of the relevant embassies repeatedly confirmed the visa was correct for the itinerary, I think we can safely stop getting caught up in the very FT-esque speculation about whether this was the unicorn of a Schengen C visa with limited territorial validity.....
Take that documentation and write to the people and addresses that JDiver listed above, and be clear that you have also prepared complaints with the DOT and are ready to pursue the compensation in court.
Also, if you are not the wronged party, make sure it is the wronged party who is actually communicating directly with AA, the DOT and the court.
Also, if you are not the wronged party, make sure it is the wronged party who is actually communicating directly with AA, the DOT and the court.
#57
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I verified and Lisa's Schengen Visa does say Etats Schengen. If this is the case, then why did the Timatic system deny Lisa boarding?
Also, we have written to AA several times within the last 6 months. They did provide some compensation, but not full compensation. To me, it is the principal - Lisa went to three embassies to make sure that she did have proper documentation. She did - Etats Schengen. We recieved a letter from the Italian embassy verifying that her Visa was worded the way that they wanted and even stated in their letter that American Airlines was wrong to deny boarding. We are being told that we did everything right and that American screwed up. If this is the case, we just want American to make Lisa and Joe "whole." Why should Lisa and Joe foot the bill for American's mistakes?
Also, we have written to AA several times within the last 6 months. They did provide some compensation, but not full compensation. To me, it is the principal - Lisa went to three embassies to make sure that she did have proper documentation. She did - Etats Schengen. We recieved a letter from the Italian embassy verifying that her Visa was worded the way that they wanted and even stated in their letter that American Airlines was wrong to deny boarding. We are being told that we did everything right and that American screwed up. If this is the case, we just want American to make Lisa and Joe "whole." Why should Lisa and Joe foot the bill for American's mistakes?
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#60
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ETA: this should get you there:
AA Travel Visa Errors and Issues for Two Honeymooners
If you're talking about AndyAA's post about the China visa waiver experience, that's a bad link; try this:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...l#post28280567