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Explore Nov 19, 2017 12:09 pm

Routes with International First Class?
 
AA doesn't make it too easy to find these. Need to burn off some SWUs by January. Can someone provide a list?

FlyingEgghead Nov 19, 2017 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by Explore (Post 29078221)
AA doesn't make it too easy to find these. Need to burn off some SWUs by January. Can someone provide a list?

The only such plane remaining is the 77W, and you can look for it in the "Widebody Schedules" here.

Explore Nov 19, 2017 2:28 pm

Thanks! Naturally, premium passengers should search this info in the cargo schedules, per AA.

dpb132 Nov 19, 2017 5:11 pm

Good luck “burning” an SWU on one of these...

oysterhead43 Nov 19, 2017 5:22 pm


Originally Posted by dpb132 (Post 29079065)
Good luck “burning” an SWU on one of these...

J to F availability is decent, normally.

gilam Nov 19, 2017 7:13 pm

seems like it
 

Originally Posted by oysterhead43 (Post 29079100)
J to F availability is decent, normally.

Just got back from a J to F upgrade HKG to LAX Friday. I think it's actually easier than Y to J

george 3 Nov 19, 2017 8:00 pm


Originally Posted by dpb132 (Post 29079065)
Good luck “burning” an SWU on one of these...

I’m batting 1.000 on every 77W flight I’ve been on (GRU/ LHR to/from JFK using SWUs (Y to J 30+ times, J to F 8 times.)

ijgordon Nov 19, 2017 8:46 pm

It's much easier to upgrade J to F. Partly because the upgrade inventory is the same code they use for discount FC purchases (A). I don't know if that's intentional, but it's definitely a side benefit.
you also don't have tons of people in J desperate to get out of J,like you do in Y. Lol. So not a ton of competition.

RTW4 Nov 20, 2017 2:56 am

I use my SWU always for JFK-LAX or JFK-LHR or LAX-LHR from J-F.. Great deal and SO FAR no problem... Pity what AA has done with advance Y-biz SWU unavailability

econometrics Nov 20, 2017 1:16 pm

Right now, mainly the 77W (only routes with Flagship First) are running:
  • DFW-GRU (AA963)
  • DFW-HKG (AA125)
  • DFW-LHR (2x daily - rotates between AA50/80 and AA78)
  • JFK-LHR (AA100)
  • JFK-GRU (AA951)
  • LAX-HKG (AA193)
  • LAX-LHR (AA108)
  • MIA-GRU (AA995, AA233)
  • MIA-EZE (AA931)
  • MIA-LHR (AA56)
I'm pretty sure that covers it. If I missed one, let me know.

And J-->F upgrades definitely are usually easy to clear, even at booking. I cleared my JFK-LHR this coming Saturday J-->F at booking.

gkbiiii Nov 20, 2017 3:31 pm

AA does not offer International First, on any other flights/routs, really?
How sad, we can't compete with the Asian, European, or middle Eastern carriers!

econometrics Nov 20, 2017 3:37 pm


Originally Posted by gkbiiii (Post 29082768)
AA does not offer International First, on any other flights/routs, really?
How sad, we can't compete with the Asian, European, or middle Eastern carriers!

True, but most of the European carriers also cannot compete with AA on J seats. Definitely not BA, LH or KL (and AF A380).

gkbiiii Nov 20, 2017 3:48 pm

To think that Pan Am First Class, was once the best in the world. How low have we fallen: even Air France has a world class product, but American can't even manage, but a few flights.
No, AA First is not in any way, equal to AF!

Dave Noble Nov 20, 2017 6:21 pm


Originally Posted by gkbiiii (Post 29082823)
To think that Pan Am First Class, was once the best in the world. How low have we fallen: even Air France has a world class product, but American can't even manage, but a few flights.
No, AA First is not in any way, equal to AF!

If there was enough of a market on routes that AA serves for 1st class, I expect that it would do so

ckx2 Nov 20, 2017 6:29 pm

Precisely. How's revenue being generated, when half of the cabin are upgraded pax? International First is a dying breed.


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