Aug 12, 19, 10:37 am
Last edit by: Prospero
AA established DFW-KEF / Keflavik International Airport for Reykjavik, Iceland, a seasonal route, on 7 June 2018 using a 75L (international, lie flat seats) model 756-200.
AA announced the changing of this flight to PHL-KEF effective 4 Jun 2020 with the same 75L aircraft type.l
Philadelphia – Keflavik, 10:15 pm – 8:00 am, Flight AA232
Keflavik – Philadelphia, 11:00 am – 1:30 pm, Flight AA231
AA announced the changing of this flight to PHL-KEF effective 4 Jun 2020 with the same 75L aircraft type.l
Philadelphia – Keflavik, 10:15 pm – 8:00 am, Flight AA232
Keflavik – Philadelphia, 11:00 am – 1:30 pm, Flight AA231
Seasonal Route DFW-KEF Reykjavik B757 —> PHL-KEF Jun 2020
Nov 15, 17, 7:42 am
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UA 757s had winter fuel stops on routes approaching 4,000 statute miles. Berlin-Newark, at 3,980sm, was the Gander fuel stop poster child. AA won't have a problem in the summer - headwinds are weaker. UA and DL operate 757s in configurations comparable to AA routinely on routes of this length in summer.
Nov 15, 17, 8:59 am
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I had Iceland/Greenland on my radar for 2018. I am based out of EWR I think the back tracking would actually be nice. DFW-KEF you have a shot at some decent sleep. JFK/EWR-KEF is so short I feel like you are in for a rough morning.
Nov 15, 17, 9:05 am
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I know we are locked in for a July trip now. My wife and I had always wanted to go, but didn't want to pay the award tax on DFW-LHR-KEF.
Nov 15, 17, 11:16 am
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Wow and Icelandair rely on a mix of local and connecting passengers. With this move, AA is trying to siphon off the local passengers, which would make the route unprofitable for Wow/Icelandair (even if 30% of passengers are going to KEF, if AA can lure those pax away that would kill the load factor). The goal is to get the Icelandic airlines to pull out of DFW so that AA will not face as much competition to the rest of Europe.
I do wonder how much a "threat" to AA low fare one-stop flights are to Europe. No high revenue pax is EVER going to take them. And how many leisure travellers want them? I would think it would mostly be the ultra-discretionary traveler who wouldn't buy a ticket if it weren't $149 -- so it's not like AA is actually lose customers.
NONSTOP low fare flights from DFW would seem to merit a competitive response. Like if Norwegian were to start flying to from DFW to the Continent.
I'm sure AA knows this, so the cost of "harassing" WOW and Icelandair must be modest.
BTW, I'd urge anyone actually thinking of taking this flight to Iceland for leisure purposes to reconsider, unless you don't care about what things cost on vacation. Iceland is just a horrific value right now. When I visited a couple years ago, it was very expensive, and I can't imagine how ridiculously expensive it would be 40% higher. Personally, if you want something "different" in that part of the world, I'd try Eastern Europe instead. Your expenses on the ground would probably be 75% less.
Nov 15, 17, 11:28 am
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Yeah, that must be the strategy.
I do wonder how much a "threat" to AA low fare one-stop flights are to Europe. No high revenue pax is EVER going to take them. And how many leisure travellers want them? I would think it would mostly be the ultra-discretionary traveler who wouldn't buy a ticket if it weren't $149 -- so it's not like AA is actually lose customers.
NONSTOP low fare flights from DFW would seem to merit a competitive response. Like if Norwegian were to start flying to from DFW to the Continent.
I'm sure AA knows this, so the cost of "harassing" WOW and Icelandair must be modest.
BTW, I'd urge anyone actually thinking of taking this flight to Iceland for leisure purposes to reconsider, unless you don't care about what things cost on vacation. Iceland is just a horrific value right now. When I visited a couple years ago, it was very expensive, and I can't imagine how ridiculously expensive it would be 40% higher. Personally, if you want something "different" in that part of the world, I'd try Eastern Europe instead. Your expenses on the ground would probably be 75% less.
I do wonder how much a "threat" to AA low fare one-stop flights are to Europe. No high revenue pax is EVER going to take them. And how many leisure travellers want them? I would think it would mostly be the ultra-discretionary traveler who wouldn't buy a ticket if it weren't $149 -- so it's not like AA is actually lose customers.
NONSTOP low fare flights from DFW would seem to merit a competitive response. Like if Norwegian were to start flying to from DFW to the Continent.
I'm sure AA knows this, so the cost of "harassing" WOW and Icelandair must be modest.
BTW, I'd urge anyone actually thinking of taking this flight to Iceland for leisure purposes to reconsider, unless you don't care about what things cost on vacation. Iceland is just a horrific value right now. When I visited a couple years ago, it was very expensive, and I can't imagine how ridiculously expensive it would be 40% higher. Personally, if you want something "different" in that part of the world, I'd try Eastern Europe instead. Your expenses on the ground would probably be 75% less.
Nov 15, 17, 1:25 pm
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Nov 15, 17, 1:53 pm
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I love it. I want to go to Iceland on one of these stupid-cheap fares, but I don't want to fly one of these ULCCs. Even if AA doesn't come the whole way on the stupid-cheap fares, I'll fly them as long as they're close...
Nov 15, 17, 2:10 pm
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Nov 15, 17, 4:09 pm
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AA is not superfluous on this route if they sell plenty of connections to cities they serve that the others don't. AA has a lot of connections at DFW, none of the other carriers there do (since none of them partner with AA, which has the dominant presence at DFW).
And once you factor in the connections, what other airport (further west than NYC) would make more sense for AA?
Nov 15, 17, 4:24 pm
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It's not the center of the world, but DFW is at the edge of the world! In that, this is about the furthest that a 757 can fly from KEF into the US. (People upthread are dubious that it can even fly that far with a full load without fuel stops.) So they couldn't start LAX-KEF service with a 757, and they had a 757 available for this.
AA is not superfluous on this route if they sell plenty of connections to cities they serve that the others don't. AA has a lot of connections at DFW, none of the other carriers there do (since none of them partner with AA, which has the dominant presence at DFW).
And once you factor in the connections, what other airport (further west than NYC) would make more sense for AA?
AA is not superfluous on this route if they sell plenty of connections to cities they serve that the others don't. AA has a lot of connections at DFW, none of the other carriers there do (since none of them partner with AA, which has the dominant presence at DFW).
And once you factor in the connections, what other airport (further west than NYC) would make more sense for AA?
Just because DFW may make more sense for AA than AA's other hubs doesn't necessarily make a route non-superfluous in a marketplace. But erhaps this goes the way of DL's services to KEF.
DFW-KEF is a good deal shorter than EWR-CPH and EWR-ARN; and DFW-KEF on AA is in the summer. In other words, AA's 757 service shouldn't have as many headwind-induced diversions as UA gets on its EWR to Scandinavian language countries.
Nov 15, 17, 10:41 pm
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Now that the 757's on TATL routes have lay flat business seats, I'm not really sure what the big concern is. Less chance of a middle seat in Y then pretty much everything but the 767. And you can bet that the 757 routes wouldn't be viable on anything larger, so would be unlikely to exist on AA to begin with.
Nov 15, 17, 10:46 pm
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...except AA isn't offering this service with unfair government subsidies.
