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Oasis: New seats & less pitch, WiFi IFE & power all 737 and A321 2019-21

Oasis: New seats & less pitch, WiFi IFE & power all 737 and A321 2019-21

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Project Oasis: All Two Class A321 (LUS, LAA) and 737-800 To Receive A319 B/F seats in F and new Rockwell Collins Meridian slimline Main Cabin Seats w/ Higher Density 2019 through 2021

As of May (2019) American had reconfigured 71 of their 304 Boeing 737-800s with these Oasis cabins. However, at that point the airline revealed that they were suspending their retrofit program until (summer) 2020. But The airline has re-started retrofits, and President Robert Isom says that the upgrading (sic) of their Boeing 737-800 fleet will be completed by the summer of 2021.

At that time retrofits supposedly will extend greater leg room and under seat space, as well as USB power and seatback tablet holders, increased aisle width forward and greater privacy aft in the First Class cabins. These changes will be extended to the 71 737 aircraft already refitted. (No changes are to be made to the Main Cabin / MCE areas.) - link to Luckys story on OMAT.

This remediation has begun (January 2020) under the name of Project Kodiak, discussed in this thread.

There has been no announcement about the A321 refits.

We have added dedicated threads as Oasis is being rolled out, the 7M8 returning to the fleet, and the A321 Oasis densification and dense A321neo arriving early 2019.

The dedicated threads are

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...-loss-etc.html Densified A321

and

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...-loss-etc.html
Densified 738

NEW CONFIGURATION

The Business / First Cabin uses the Rockwell Collins MiQ seat currently used in long haul Premium Economy with some modifications with seat pitch reduced to 37 / 94 cm, and seat recline reduced from 6 / 15 cm to 4 / 10 cm.

Main Cabin Extra uses the Rockwell Collins ultra-slimline Meridian seat with 33 / 84 cm pitch, with a 4" / 10 cm. Width is 17 / 43 cm. Armrests are about 30% narrower than previous Economy seats.

Main Cabin Meridian seat pitch is 30 / 76 cm, with a 2" / 5 cm limited recline.

Rockwell Collins claims Meridian is wider by designing a seat trio that hugs the fuselage wall more than previous seats and by filling the gap between seats. Armrests are about 30% narrower than previous Economy seats.

Lavatory: New slimmer B/E Aerospace (now Rockwell Collins ultra slim Spacewall lavatories will also be installed.

WiFi, IFE and Power: Satellite based WiFi (fee); IFE served frim onboard server to your AA app on your own device via WiFi; 110 VAC Universal plug and 5 VDC 1.1 amp USB port.

AIRCRAFT

The schedule calls for the airline to renovate legacy US Airways A321s starting in 2019, followed by legacy American Airlines A321s. American said it does not plan to install seatback screens, echoing a decision made in January of this year not plan to install seatback in-flight entertainment screens on the 100 Boeing 737 Max (8) jets it ordered." Link to Frequent Business Traveler article by Paul Riegler on 28 Sept 2017
737 MAX 8: out of the box with 30 MC / 33 MCE Meridian seats, new F cabin with 37 pitch, MCE 37 and MC with 30 pitch, and slimmer Spacewall lavatories. Satellite WiFi (fee), WiFi IFE served to your device and the AA app (free)

737-800: The first refitted aircraft of 304 738 airframes, N979AN, re-entered Service 13 May 2018. See illustrations courtesy of The Points Guy in post no. 8.

A321: No conversions apparently until 2019.

Announced Thursday 29 Sep 2017: Rockwell Collins (recently B/E Aerospace) Rockwell Interior Systems' Meridian slimline seat with at-seat power will be installed on all AA Airbus A321 (LUS, LAA) except the three class A321T) and all Boeing 737-800 aircraft.

The company claims the lighter and smaller frame Meridian seat offers "20% more living space" and that apparent pitch to a passenger will be one inch over actual measured pitch (e.g. "30" pitch will feel like 31" pitch". (Southwest claims the Meridian offers 0.7" greater width and is the widest available 737 3x3 coach seat; actual width seems the same, change is intrastate gap now filled.) "Longer flight comfort is enhanced with B/Es patented Crystal Flex bottom diaphragm technology an industry-leading feature for maximized comfort on B/Es seating products. Meridians full headrest tops off the seats comfort features." - Rockwell Collins referring UA 737 MAX 9 version.)

Other airlines selecting the B/Rockwell Collins Meridian seat for narrowbody Economy seats include Southwest (737 MAX 8) and United (737 MAX 9). WN will retain the same number of seats and 32 seat pitch.

USA Airlines' Economy Seat Pitch
34" - JetBlue A320
32" - JetBlue A321, E190; Southwest 737-800 and 737 MAX 8; Virgin America (fleetwide)
31" - Alaska 737-800; Southwest 737-700
30" - American, Delta? (WSJ), United (most narrowbody aircraft)
29" - Frontier, Spirit (fleetwide)
*B/E Aerospace of Wellington, FL was acquired by Rockwell Collins of Cedar Rapids, IA as a wholly owned subsidiary. Rockwell Collins has agreed to be bought by United Technologies of Farmington, CT.

Wikipedia: In August 2017, Reuters reported that United Technologies of Farmington, Connecticut submitted a bid to acquire Rockwell Collins, which on the day of the report had a market capitalization of $19.3 billion[14] The acquisition was formally announced on September 4, 2017. The transaction is projected to close by the third quarter of 2018.[15]

Link to Airline Reporter review of Southwest Meridian seats with excellent illustrations

Link to Bloomberg article on airlines densifucation of the Economy cabin

Link to Wall Street Journal on US airline Economy seats (including Meridian) (PDF)

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Old Feb 12, 20, 9:39 am
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Originally Posted by daron4000 View Post
TPG has a report out on the new First Class seats (Oasis 2.0). Maybe others knew this but I must have not realized - AA removing a row of MCE (row 10) to provide more legroom to the first class bulkhead! That's a pretty big change, and a reason to no longer book row 10!

https://thepointsguy.com/news/americ...w-first-class/
Lol so that's how they did it. Pretty terrible - they need to just remove a row of seats and get it over with.
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Old Feb 12, 20, 9:59 am
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Are only rows 8, 9, 16, and 17 MCE rows now on the 737-800? 24 MCE seats? This really doesn't sound like that many... I wonder how they are currently doing selling MCE. I don't like how Delta is trying to convince folks that Comfort+ is an "upgrade", but they do seem to sell out of it, often a few weeks before the flight.
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Old Feb 12, 20, 12:48 pm
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Certainly a far cry from Delta's new domestic first class seat which will start flying late this year. I personally have a strong preference for seat back screens.


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Old Feb 12, 20, 2:21 pm
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Originally Posted by MorganB View Post
Certainly a far cry from Delta's new domestic first class seat which will start flying late this year. I personally have a strong preference for seat back screens.
Most everyone does except apparently those passengers that receive survey requests from AA. 🤷‍♂️
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Old Feb 12, 20, 3:27 pm
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Are only rows 8, 9, 16, and 17 MCE rows now on the 737-800? 24 MCE seats? This really doesn't sound like that many... I wonder how they are currently doing selling MCE. I don't like how Delta is trying to convince folks that Comfort+ is an "upgrade", but they do seem to sell out of it, often a few weeks before the flight.
I dont think they sell MCE as much as Delta. MCE are mostly filled with elites and basic economy/non revs.
I think united sell the most E+ seats and market it very aggressively.
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Old Feb 12, 20, 5:07 pm
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Just checked FlightRadar for N979AN that is flying from Havana to Miami tomorrow at 6pm and row 10 shows up as MCE. N979AN is the aircraft mentioned in the TPG article as first one that underwent project Kodiac. Is it AA IT glitch or did they not remove row 10 as MCE?
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Old Feb 12, 20, 8:34 pm
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Originally Posted by gateH15 View Post
Just checked FlightRadar for N979AN that is flying from Havana to Miami tomorrow at 6pm and row 10 shows up as MCE. N979AN is the aircraft mentioned in the TPG article as first one that underwent project Kodiac. Is it AA IT glitch or did they not remove row 10 as MCE?
Yeah, that's strange, but the seat map must not be updated yet. Here's a look at the seat map for flight 2705 from Miami to Havana tomorrow, which N979AN is scheduled to operate. It shows row 10 as preferred, not MCE.


Looks like we've got new issues if an Oasis aircraft is ever swapped with Oasis 2.0. Fortunately it's just one row.
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Old Feb 13, 20, 9:42 am
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Did Oasis 2.0/Kodiak add legroom in first class other than in the bulkhead row?

Also wondering if the removal of one row of Y allowed any increase in MCE pitch vs. Oasis v.1
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Old Feb 13, 20, 9:43 am
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Did Oasis 2.0/Kodiak add legroom in first class other than in the bulkhead row?

Also wondering if the removal of one row of Y allowed any increase in MCE pitch vs. Oasis v.1
legroom only increased in first row of F. No increase for MCE
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Old Feb 13, 20, 1:48 pm
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Did Oasis 2.0/Kodiak add legroom in first class other than in the bulkhead row?

Also wondering if the removal of one row of Y allowed any increase in MCE pitch vs. Oasis v.1
They didn't remove a row of Y, Doug would never take out 6 income producing seats. They basically moved row 1-4 and 8-9 back 3 inches and made row 10 regular coach instead of MCE.
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