AA142 JFK-LHR day flight shutters closed
#61
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Or they can use a sleep mask and be in personal darkness without forcing their wishes on others. It's much harder to be in personal light unless the airlines start providing blackout curtained seats.
#62
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I don’t like engaging on here because generally speaking facts are treated as opinions and opinions are treated as facts. But I will say, if someone needs darkness, and open shade prevents that as one window can flood the plane with light. If someone needs light, they can use the overhead lights which do not flood the plane. Sure, sometimes I would prefer day light, but the overhead lights are fine for doing work and if it allows my fellow pax to enjoy their flight, so be it.
Makes no sense to ruin a flight for others because I need a certain type of light. But in today’s world I guess being considerate towards others is dead.
I applaud CX who doesn’t give you a choice: company policy is shades closed.
Cheers,
TG
Makes no sense to ruin a flight for others because I need a certain type of light. But in today’s world I guess being considerate towards others is dead.
I applaud CX who doesn’t give you a choice: company policy is shades closed.
Cheers,
TG
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Nobody needs darkness and nobody needs light on the flight
Those that want to ensure darkness can book one of the overnight flights
Those booking on a daytime flight, should have a reasonable expectation that it will be light during the day
CX may have crew trying to close shades, but if the request by cabin crew to close shades is refused, the crew will go away leaving the shade open
Those that want to ensure darkness can book one of the overnight flights
Those booking on a daytime flight, should have a reasonable expectation that it will be light during the day
CX may have crew trying to close shades, but if the request by cabin crew to close shades is refused, the crew will go away leaving the shade open
#65
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Call me crazy, but often times I like to keep the window shade open to, you know, see out the window. However, I will say the length of the flight matters. If it’s a 2-hour daytime flight I’m more inclined to keep it open. If it’s an overnight TATL flight then I certainly don’t mind having it closed as the first light of day overseas can be tough to adjust to.
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I suspect the FAs want the shades closed so the cabin would be dark which encourages more passengers to sleep. Then fewer people ask the FAs for things which means less work for the FAs.
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For those support the windows to be kept open during transatlantic flight, I strongly suggest you to read the linked article.
Flying: What is the radiation level at a cruising altitude of 25000 ft?
I can cites more info if you needed. Some source are good and some are not very scientific. But the general consent is there whether you believe it or not.
it is your choice to keep the windows open if you sit next to the window. But it has health implications.
and Cabin Crew does not ask you to close windows so that they can do less job. It is about their health too.
Frequent flying seems glamorous, but it comes with serious health risks
Also some other informationFlying: What is the radiation level at a cruising altitude of 25000 ft?
Radiation Exposure of Air Carrier Crewmembers – FAA AC 120-52
Air travel exposes you to radiation – how much health risk comes with it?
I can cites more info if you needed. Some source are good and some are not very scientific. But the general consent is there whether you believe it or not.
it is your choice to keep the windows open if you sit next to the window. But it has health implications.
and Cabin Crew does not ask you to close windows so that they can do less job. It is about their health too.
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#68
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For those support the windows to be kept open during transatlantic flight, I strongly suggest you to read the linked article.Frequent flying seems glamorous, but it comes with serious health risks
it is your choice to keep the windows open if you sit next to the window. But it has health implications.
and Cabin Crew does not ask you to close windows so that they can do less job. It is about their health too.
it is your choice to keep the windows open if you sit next to the window. But it has health implications.
and Cabin Crew does not ask you to close windows so that they can do less job. It is about their health too.
There is certainly an argument for doing everything possible to minimize jetlag. However, that doesn't argue for keeping the windows closed during the day; quite the contrary. For jetlag, the best thing you can do is do everything you can to set your body to destination time when you step on the plane. That means that if it's daytime at your destination, you should not be sleeping; you also shouldn't have the windowshade closed trying to convince your body that it's nighttime.
Therefore, the suggestion that leaving the window shades open has health risks to me seems to be uninformed fearmongering.
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It is your freedom to disregard your own health. But please do not quickly shoot the messenger. Many years ago it is fashionable to smoke on the plane and people quickly disregards the health risks for people surrounded by smokers.
keep the shutters down may not prevent the radiation. But it certainly stops most of the sunbeam into the cabin thus less risks.
There are more evidences I can find for you if you are interested. But if you decide to counter the health argument I would suggest you to calm down and look at this issue from other peoples point of view seriously.
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Sorry I was in the process editing my post when you replied.
It is your freedom to disregard your own health. But please do not quickly shoot the messenger. Many years ago it is fashionable to smoke on the plane and people quickly disregards the health risks for people surrounded by smokers.
keep the shutters down may not prevent the radiation. But it certainly stops most of the sunbeam into the cabin thus less risks.
There are more evidences I can find for you if you are interested. But if you decide to counter the health argument I would suggest you to calm down and look at this issue from other peoples point of view seriously.
It is your freedom to disregard your own health. But please do not quickly shoot the messenger. Many years ago it is fashionable to smoke on the plane and people quickly disregards the health risks for people surrounded by smokers.
keep the shutters down may not prevent the radiation. But it certainly stops most of the sunbeam into the cabin thus less risks.
There are more evidences I can find for you if you are interested. But if you decide to counter the health argument I would suggest you to calm down and look at this issue from other peoples point of view seriously.
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I see a new elite enhancement coming up. CKs get 100% override on 787, EXP 80%, Plat PRO 60%, Platinum 40% and Gold 20% - you can also buy a Window Control Upgrade for $120 per segment.
Let's turn those 787 into more of a money maker
Let's turn those 787 into more of a money maker
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Like those binoculars on top of the Empire State Building or wherever, insert 25 cents and you can look for 60 seconds. Hopefully it will take Apple Pay.
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Hahahahahahaha. You think the little window shades block out cosmic radiation? You will have to let the people who set up bomb shelters know that instead of digging those things underground they can just put some plastic window shades on the outside of buildings instead.
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second, you can not compare apples and oranges. The radiation level are vastly different between the two you are trying to compare.
third, if you know any hard evidence that window shutters does not prevent sunbeam damage to human above 30000 feet and or the actual number of radiation level with windows shut or open, please kindly share here. If not I see no problem of shutting the window for health reasons.