Speculation: Will AA continue to pull back in NYC?
Apr 9, 2019, 10:18 am
#721
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I sincerely doubt AA intends to bolster flights to regional markets in the NE. O/D traffic is minimal to JFK from these markets except for maybe BOS since its easier to go to Long Island by flying to JFK than taking Amtrak then LIRR.
I’d love to be wrong though.
Last edited by golfingboy; Apr 9, 2019 at 10:32 am
Apr 9, 2019, 10:35 am
#722
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One of the surprising things to me about this thread is lack of conversations about corporate contracts. Presumably, existing corporate contracts or sales' desire to win specific future corporate contracts should influence specific flights to specific markets, a la the United twice daily service from the Bay Area to Shanghai for Apple.
Apr 9, 2019, 10:46 am
#723
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One of the surprising things to me about this thread is lack of conversations about corporate contracts. Presumably, existing corporate contracts or sales' desire to win specific future corporate contracts should influence specific flights to specific markets, a la the United twice daily service from the Bay Area to Shanghai for Apple.
Apr 9, 2019, 11:37 am
#724
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Apr 9, 2019, 11:53 am
#725
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One of the surprising things to me about this thread is lack of conversations about corporate contracts. Presumably, existing corporate contracts or sales' desire to win specific future corporate contracts should influence specific flights to specific markets, a la the United twice daily service from the Bay Area to Shanghai for Apple.
Apr 9, 2019, 12:19 pm
#726
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AA hasn't been doing very well with NYC corporate contracts.....in fact I think it was Credit Suisse (or some other bank) that dumped AA in favor for Delta which is why AA dropped JFK-ZRH and moved it to PHL as one example. AA shot themselves in the foot with that route using an unreliable 763 with a terrible in-flight product compared with Delta's 763 with in-seat IFE good dispatch reliability etc and now I think DL is even running A332's on the route.
Apr 9, 2019, 2:27 pm
#727
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I thought rebanking (ie moving from more banks to fewer larger ones or moving from a rolling hub to a banked hub) generally drives up costs because you have to staff for the peak and then pay employees to be idle between banks. It's going for revenue because customers (including me) as well as, eg, Google Flights's "best flights" algorithm often sort by (or at least consider) total travel time when searching for flights, so efficient connections win. Those shorter connections and congestion certainly introduce operational challenges, and reducing those can be a cost savings, but I don't think the operational cost savings outweigh the staffing cost increases.
Apr 9, 2019, 2:29 pm
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AA hasn't been doing very well with NYC corporate contracts.....in fact I think it was Credit Suisse (or some other bank) that dumped AA in favor for Delta which is why AA dropped JFK-ZRH and moved it to PHL as one example. AA shot themselves in the foot with that route using an unreliable 763 with a terrible in-flight product compared with Delta's 763 with in-seat IFE good dispatch reliability etc and now I think DL is even running A332's on the route.
Apr 9, 2019, 2:38 pm
#729
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Might this have something to do with it https://www.flyertalk.com/articles/j...he-summer.html
If yes, it would suggest AA will restore at least some of the service at the end of 2019.
If yes, it would suggest AA will restore at least some of the service at the end of 2019.
Apr 9, 2019, 8:48 pm
#730
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I thought rebanking (ie moving from more banks to fewer larger ones or moving from a rolling hub to a banked hub) generally drives up costs because you have to staff for the peak and then pay employees to be idle between banks. It's going for revenue because customers (including me) as well as, eg, Google Flights's "best flights" algorithm often sort by (or at least consider) total travel time when searching for flights, so efficient connections win. Those shorter connections and congestion certainly introduce operational challenges, and reducing those can be a cost savings, but I don't think the operational cost savings outweigh the staffing cost increases.
Apr 10, 2019, 11:35 am
#731
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Apologies if this question is slightly off topic: are there ever business saver awards from NYC available on AA's own metal? I have been checking for a few weeks and nothing has come up. Is it even worth buying expertflyer to get - possibly hypothetical - alerts? Thanks
Apr 10, 2019, 2:12 pm
#732
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Apologies if this question is slightly off topic: are there ever business saver awards from NYC available on AA's own metal? I have been checking for a few weeks and nothing has come up. Is it even worth buying expertflyer to get - possibly hypothetical - alerts? Thanks
Apr 10, 2019, 3:57 pm
#733
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Apologies if this question is slightly off topic: are there ever business saver awards from NYC available on AA's own metal? I have been checking for a few weeks and nothing has come up. Is it even worth buying expertflyer to get - possibly hypothetical - alerts? Thanks
Apr 10, 2019, 4:28 pm
#734
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Might this have something to do with it https://www.flyertalk.com/articles/j...he-summer.html
If yes, it would suggest AA will restore at least some of the service at the end of 2019.
If yes, it would suggest AA will restore at least some of the service at the end of 2019.
Apr 23, 2019, 11:59 am
#735
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Long TPG interview with Vasu Raja that touches a lot on NYC strategy.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/talkin...ing-vasu-raja/
Our strategy is that we connect people to the world by connecting them through our hubs, right? In New York City that’s a very different thing. Again, we don’t have the slot portfolio, the size to go and have a 500 departure hub here, and so here we are focused on getting customers to and from New York City, but more specifically getting premium customers to and from New York City. And when I say premium customers, I mean people who tend to travel a lot, but not exclusively for business who value a deep schedule, a great product, not just on the airplane, but on the ground. And that may sound like a niche, but in New York City that’s a huge, huge market and so a lot of what we have done in New York City is actually cut away the things that are not consistent with that and focus heavily on the things that are. So we have gotten out of routes from New York to say Santo Domingo, but we have all 777s flying in New York to International, right?