Speculation: Will AA continue to pull back in NYC?
Oct 2, 2018, 6:42 am
#571
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That's IrrOps (and a 7.3% IrrOps rate is nothing to be proud of). If you pay for one of these flights more than a couple months out, there's nothing to stop AA from permanently changing the route to a different type of aircraft and then telling you to pound sand when you tell them you're not getting the product you paid for.
Oct 2, 2018, 7:40 am
#572
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Oct 2, 2018, 8:57 am
#573
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That's IrrOps (and a 7.3% IrrOps rate is nothing to be proud of). If you pay for one of these flights more than a few months out, there's nothing to stop AA from permanently changing the route to a different type of aircraft and then telling you to pound sand when you tell them you're not getting the product you paid for. When you pay for Mint, on the other hand, you know you're getting a flat bed.
I remember when the JFK-LAX was operated by the 762s that were swapped to non-premium 752s so frequently that there was a dedicated thread on the forum that was always on the front page. People were very upset. The point is that you can't get a price premium without being able to guarantee a premium product. And absent the price premium it is not worth it to put lie-flats on more routes. They are putting the 332 on those routes for the extra Y capacity versus the 321, not because of lie-flats.
It's a chicken-and-egg problem. JetBlue has solved that problem by producing a proverbial chicken. So has Delta where D1 is sold as a different class from F. As a result there are a lot of people who would book Mint but would not book a random AA lie-flat (unless it were priced like a standard domestic F upgrade).
Oct 2, 2018, 1:49 pm
#574
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New routes announced for 2019 by AAA:
LGA to TYS (Knoxville) daily
JFK to SAT (San Antonio) daily
Not sure if what these say, if anything, about the NYC strategy
LGA to TYS (Knoxville) daily
JFK to SAT (San Antonio) daily
Not sure if what these say, if anything, about the NYC strategy
Oct 2, 2018, 2:44 pm
#575
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Oct 2, 2018, 2:48 pm
#576
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Oct 4, 2018, 11:55 pm
#578
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Oct 5, 2018, 6:02 am
#579
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NY Post noted that Governor Cuomo’s JFK $13bn terminal plan discusses a new north terminal (where T8 is located) but what is left unsaid is where does T8 fit in. Perhaps Parker’s out and a move to a shared terminal?
Oct 5, 2018, 6:31 am
#580
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The new terminal replaces T7, not T8. I expect T8 will stay where it is, get the rest of OW moving in (maybe not JL as they are part of the Terminal One Group), and possibly some modifications to allow more widebodies and lounge space at the expense of some narrowbody gates.
Last edited by lowfareair; Oct 5, 2018 at 6:54 am
Oct 5, 2018, 6:47 am
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One terminal will replace T1 and T2:
Mr. Cotton said that a consortium of four foreign carriers — Lufthansa, Air France, Japan Airlines and Korean Airlines — had pledged to spend $7 billion to replace Terminals 1 and 2 with a massive terminal containing 23 gates and 230,000 square feet of stores and restaurants. He said that the complex would be operated by Munich Airport International and would be connected to Terminal 4, integrating the south side of the airport.
On the north side, he said, JetBlue has proposed to demolish Terminal 7 and build a $3 billion international terminal that would connect to the airline’s hub in Terminal 5. One of JetBlue’s development partners is RXR Realty, a Long Island-based company led by Scott Rechler, a former vice-chairman of the Port Authority and major campaign contributor to Mr. Cuomo.
Oct 5, 2018, 11:59 am
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Could it be premium paxs looked at the ratty old 763 (and possibly suffering from a maintenance delay) and wonder is this International J? Not to mention those in Y coughing up a few thousand for no IFE/AVOD.
Oct 5, 2018, 1:56 pm
#585
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