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AA and Alaska Airlines Reduce Partnership Perks Effective 1 Jan 2018
See article by Gary Leff on July 6, 2017 (link)
Effective January 1 2018:
- AA will only allow EQM-EQS-EQD (and presumably award miles) on American Airlines marketed ("codeshare") flights operated by Alaska Airlines (AS marketed flights will not accrue AA EQM-EQS-EQD)
- "American Airlines elite frequent flyers will no longer receive travel benefits such as priority check-in, priority boarding, access to preferred seats, and free checked bags on Alaska Airlines." (Gary Leff)
Some current partnership benefits will continue:
- AAdvantage awards using AS flights will still be allowed.
- Admirals Club members will continue to have Alaska Lounge (formerly Board Room) access with same day travel on an AA or AS marketed and operated flight.
AA and Alaska End Major Partnership Aspects 1 Jan 2018
#121
Join Date: Mar 2014
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This is hugely disappointing. As a DC area flyer who loves to go to the West Coast AS was the best bet. There will now be no direct flights to SEA/PDX/SAN that someone can accrue One World miles. I wonder if AA will try to expand its west coast offerings from BWI and IAD based on this decision. Those AS flights were always packed, so there is demand.
#122
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: San Diego, Ca
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As Avios awards are distance based - even on AS - they are often the best value between the US West Coast and Hawaii, Mexico.
It is a bit of a hassle to book AS award travel with Avios, as it is necessary to call BAEC - but well worth it.
#123
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: San Diego, Ca
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Look more closely; AS has set up focus cities in SAN and SNA, where it is now possible to fly to every Hawaiian island from SAN, not to mention 2x-3x daily flights to SJD, transcons to BOS, BWI, EWR and MCO. They are also now running OO E-175's as the only competition to WN out of SAN to the likes of ABQ, BOI, SJC, SMF, STL, Q400's to destinations like FAT, STS. For those of us based in SAN with LT status on AA, it is not too difficult to earn at least MVP status, keep the best of both worlds.
The VX acquisition allowed AS to accelerate its California growth strategy, unclear how dependent Tilden's plan was on the AA, DL partnerships.
Pass the popcorn, please...
#124
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^^^
Look more closely; AS has set up focus cities in SAN and SNA, where it is now possible to fly to every Hawaiian island from SAN, not to mention 2x-3x daily flights to SJD, transcons to BOS, BWI, EWR and MCO. They are also now running OO E-175's as the only competition to WN out of SAN to the likes of ABQ, BOI, SJC, SMF, STL, Q400's to destinations like FAT, STS. For those of us based in SAN with LT status on AA, it is not too difficult to earn at least MVP status, keep the best of both worlds.
Look more closely; AS has set up focus cities in SAN and SNA, where it is now possible to fly to every Hawaiian island from SAN, not to mention 2x-3x daily flights to SJD, transcons to BOS, BWI, EWR and MCO. They are also now running OO E-175's as the only competition to WN out of SAN to the likes of ABQ, BOI, SJC, SMF, STL, Q400's to destinations like FAT, STS. For those of us based in SAN with LT status on AA, it is not too difficult to earn at least MVP status, keep the best of both worlds.
Cheers.
#126
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,485
How about Avios https://www.britishairways.com/en-us...-avios/flights
As Avios awards are distance based - even on AS - they are often the best value between the US West Coast and Hawaii, Mexico.
It is a bit of a hassle to book AS award travel with Avios, as it is necessary to call BAEC - but well worth it.
As Avios awards are distance based - even on AS - they are often the best value between the US West Coast and Hawaii, Mexico.
It is a bit of a hassle to book AS award travel with Avios, as it is necessary to call BAEC - but well worth it.
I don't see why the need to only consider options on AS, when you can fly UA/HA to Hawaii and WN up and down the west coast.
Basically, if flying AS doesn't help you build status, why not just be a free agent on those routes that AA doesn't serve?
I would much rather be on a HA A321NEO to Hawaii than AS B739ER. The seat is wider, plane is newer and you get better service.
I wonder if AA will try to expand its west coast offerings from BWI and IAD based on this decision.
#127
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: San Diego, Ca
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Who in their RIGHT MIND would CHOOSE WN over AS - open seating hot mess, no first class / Y+, or elite priority boarding. I earned WN A-list status intra-California for several years, moved to AS when they added competing service from SAN, haven't looked back.
Agree if HA flew to KOA and OGG, offered nonstop transcons out of SAN. I also end up either paying for discount F, upgrade due to status or GGU, which beats Y on HA A321NEO by a longshot.
#128
Join Date: Oct 2010
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OP asked about earning OW miles on direct flights to SEA/PDX/SAN, I was simply stating that Avios can be earned on AS flights, offers significant value for some. There was no mention of reaching status.
#129
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,485
HA only offers SAN nonstop to HNL; all other islands, carriers require connections, while AS offers nonstop to ALL islands.
Who in their RIGHT MIND would CHOOSE WN over AS - open seating hot mess, no first class / Y+, or elite priority boarding. I earned WN A-list status intra-California for several years, moved to AS when they added competing service from SAN, haven't looked back.
MVP is a slam dunk at 20k miles, particularly with EQM bonuses for paid F, status on AS earns free upgrades to Y+ and sometimes F.
Agree if HA flew to KOA and OGG, offered nonstop transcons out of SAN. I also end up either paying for discount F, upgrade due to status or GGU, which beats Y on HA A321NEO by a longshot.
Who in their RIGHT MIND would CHOOSE WN over AS - open seating hot mess, no first class / Y+, or elite priority boarding. I earned WN A-list status intra-California for several years, moved to AS when they added competing service from SAN, haven't looked back.
MVP is a slam dunk at 20k miles, particularly with EQM bonuses for paid F, status on AS earns free upgrades to Y+ and sometimes F.
Agree if HA flew to KOA and OGG, offered nonstop transcons out of SAN. I also end up either paying for discount F, upgrade due to status or GGU, which beats Y on HA A321NEO by a longshot.
As for AS status, they don't fly to may international locations and offer lie flats. So while upgrades are good, it seems like only looking at AS options in order to achieve status level when picking your flights leaves out other good options when their network isn't the best out of most cities. For example, flying mint to JFK/BOS out of SAN is better value than flying AS FC.
#130
Join Date: Oct 2010
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2. Free luggage can be had on ANY carrier with their credit card
3. Inability to select seats in advance, upgrade to Y+ or F on WN is a dealbreaker for me (6'2" tall).
So while upgrades are good, it seems like only looking at AS options in order to achieve status level when picking your flights leaves out other good options when their network isn't the best out of most cities. For example, flying mint to JFK/BOS out of SAN is better value than flying AS FC.
When was the last time you tried to take an earlier flight, or were trying to modify plans during IROPS. I have been in those situations enough to believe that status / loyalty MATTERS.
#131
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Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: NY
Programs: AA EXPLT; AS 75k; B6 Mosaic; UA Gold; Hyatt Diamond; Marriott/SPG Platinum; Hilton Gold; Hertz PC
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I hate going to EWR and avoid it as much as possible, but the getting from EWR to Manhattan via mass transit isn't horribly dreadful, as long as you don't come in very late at night (and as long as trains aren't derailing in Penn Station, which just happened again, and as long as emergency repairs aren't happening in Penn Station, which will be occurring starting Monday, etc, etc. But in theory, it's not bad!)
#132
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,485
B6 may work for someone based in BOS, not so much for someone like me, based in SAN, who would like to earn upgrades on nonstops to Hawaii.
1. WN has NO interline agreements, which can result in MAJOR complications during IROPS.
2. Free luggage can be had on ANY carrier with their credit card
3. Inability to select seats in advance, upgrade to Y+ or F on WN is a dealbreaker for me (6'2" tall).
That is why they AS (and B6) maintains an extensive list of international partners. I also have LT PLT status on AA --> OW to fall back on.
B6 does not offer Mint service SAN-BOS, FLL; and as mentioned above, their SAN network does not match my requirements very well.
When was the last time you tried to take an earlier flight, or were trying to modify plans during IROPS. I have been in those situations enough to believe that status / loyalty MATTERS.
1. WN has NO interline agreements, which can result in MAJOR complications during IROPS.
2. Free luggage can be had on ANY carrier with their credit card
3. Inability to select seats in advance, upgrade to Y+ or F on WN is a dealbreaker for me (6'2" tall).
That is why they AS (and B6) maintains an extensive list of international partners. I also have LT PLT status on AA --> OW to fall back on.
B6 does not offer Mint service SAN-BOS, FLL; and as mentioned above, their SAN network does not match my requirements very well.
When was the last time you tried to take an earlier flight, or were trying to modify plans during IROPS. I have been in those situations enough to believe that status / loyalty MATTERS.
My point wasn't that you should pick B6, but rather plenty of people have picked an airline without the "best hard product" as their go to airline. For someone with kids and needing to checking in luggages, WN is a life saver. Also WN has enough frequency on so many routes out in the west coast that they don't need to put their passengers on other airlines.
Imo, the most valuable part of AA status are:
1) being able to get free upgrade on premium transcon
2) Use SWU or paid upgrades on international flights
3) Lounge access at Oneworld airlines outside of America
4) The occasional unexpected free upgrades by Oneworld airline (has happened to me 3 times the past year)
These bring tremendous extra value that a program like AS simply can't provide. In your case, it seems like you already get lounge access and other Oneworld benefits with LT PLT status, so AS does sound like the best option for you . But not everyone has LT PLT status and go to Hawaii for vacation.
But if you fly internationally a lot, then getting status with AA or UA is a better way to go. Or if you do a lot of intra-california flying, WN is the most convenient. Or you can do free agency.
#133
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Have you tried using SWU in the past year or so and looked at availability? We had a flight with J7 and 16 (or more) open seats that barely cleared outside T-24. Does it still happen earlier? Probably. But it is on the serious decline to the point of no longer being much of a positive.
Cheers.
Cheers.
#134
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: San Diego, Ca
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I recently missed the last flight to SAN from DFW due to WX, ended up on a flight to LAX (thanks to my LT PLT status), was not looking forward to the late night, 2+ hour drive to SAN after a long week on the road. To my pleasant surprise, the AE LAX GA greeted me with a BP on the late UA flight to SAN.
#135
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: SJC (AA PLT 2MM - Marriott LTT - Avis Preferred)
Posts: 2,025
As with brp, I may be in the camp of status-matching, as my priorities are the following out of SJC as a LT PLT:
Mostly affected for me will be elite seat selection and check-in.
- PNW travel, mainly GEG/YVR
- Seat selection: much of our travel plans are last-minute, usually leaving only elite-status seats available online
- Board Room access with Admirals Club membership
- Partner elite check-in
- Priority boarding: still able to board early with a little one and gate-checked stroller, but not for long when the stroller is no longer needed.
Mostly affected for me will be elite seat selection and check-in.