Free flight changes June 19-21 for PHX afternoon arrivals/departures
Jun 20, 2017, 9:39 pm
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IIRC it's 118 degrees where some planes are no longer legal to take off. I think RJ's.
The maximum takeoff temperature for the Bombardier CRJ is ISA+35°C. This means the maximum permissible temperature will vary with altitude, air pressure and temperature, all of which need to be calculated to arrive at the ISA. Only then will a pilot be able to determine if the plane can fly or not in the present/anticipated weather conditions.
Jun 22, 2017, 9:25 am
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I was on 985 PHX-JFK yesterday (21 June) that departed at 315pm when the heat was about 116 degrees. Cabin was warm prior to takeoff, but we didn't sit long on the runway. Pushback was at 315pm and we started down the runway at around 330pm. The aircraft was fairly full, and we were nose up with about 4,000 feet to go (taking off to the west) on the runway. No difficulty with the left turn around South Mountain on the climb out.
Jun 22, 2017, 10:09 am
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Glad you had good luck, but at 116F on a mainline jet, traveling with the prevailing winds and a segment length well within (adjusted) range, you had little to fear.
Jun 22, 2017, 11:49 am
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Maybe they wanted to learn from the mistakes of America West de-hubbing LAS (which Southwest took over) or US Airways de-hubbing PIT (Southwest moved in). Not everyone flying to a hub is changing planes. If AA were stupid enough to de-hub PHX and expect everyone flying to Phoenix to be happy to change planes in DFW or LAX, Southwest will, once again, be happy to move in and take their customers. What's worse is that once Southwest moves in and takes the prior airline's customers, they never come back!
Jun 22, 2017, 12:07 pm
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Maybe they wanted to learn from the mistakes of America West de-hubbing LAS (which Southwest took over) or US Airways de-hubbing PIT (Southwest moved in). Not everyone flying to a hub is changing planes. If AA were stupid enough to de-hub PHX and expect everyone flying to Phoenix to be happy to change planes in DFW or LAX, Southwest will, once again, be happy to move in and take their customers. What's worse is that once Southwest moves in and takes the prior airline's customers, they never come back!
Jun 22, 2017, 12:10 pm
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There are multiple threads on AA hubs, flight speculation, etc. Please use one of those for discussion of the viability of the PHX hub.
Let's keep this thread focused on heat/weather related issues and impact on AA ops at PHX.
aztimm
There are multiple threads on AA hubs, flight speculation, etc. Please use one of those for discussion of the viability of the PHX hub.
Let's keep this thread focused on heat/weather related issues and impact on AA ops at PHX.
aztimm
Jun 23, 2017, 12:46 pm
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A few summers back I got a sizable voucher for volunteering in PHX. I had no urgency on my arrival time and was confirmed on a later flight. There is a passenger/cargo weight threshold for the heavy aircraft to takeoff, depending on outside temps too.
Watching the gate agents and pilots do math on the takeoff weight was reason enough for me to bow out....no one could agree :-)
Watching the gate agents and pilots do math on the takeoff weight was reason enough for me to bow out....no one could agree :-)
Jun 24, 2017, 1:47 pm
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I fly MCI-PHX semi-often and have never noticed a BE fare. WN also competes in the market and Allegiant is starting MCI-Mesa (?) soon. Wonder if we'll start seeing BE on AA once Allegiant is up and running...
