AA: $1.6 B renovations to LAX Terminals 4 & 5 (began 17 Oct 2018)
Jun 5, 2017, 2:17 pm
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LAWA's deal with Delta did not give them any rights to TBIT gates. During the construction phase of their project, Delta will be using the 3 gates at the northern end of TBIT to make up for any gate closures at T2/T3.
When the MSC is complete and provided Delta can show it has met certain usage conditions for its gates at T2/T3, it can request additional gates at TBIT from LAWA.
AA already has rights to gates at TBIT. It is expected those rights will become fully vested, meaning preferential, when the MSC opens.
Jun 5, 2017, 5:21 pm
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To be sure, LAWA had its own incentives in both deals, but there is very little speculation with the gate counts. The airlines obtained additional gates in proportion to their current ops. Both were operating with fewer gates than necessary. As AA is the larger airline now, it will end up with more gates.
LAWA's deal with Delta did not give them any rights to TBIT gates. During the construction phase of their project, Delta will be using the 3 gates at the northern end of TBIT to make up for any gate closures at T2/T3.
When the MSC is complete and provided Delta can show it has met certain usage conditions for its gates at T2/T3, it can request additional gates at TBIT from LAWA.
AA already has rights to gates at TBIT. It is expected those rights will become fully vested, meaning preferential, when the MSC opens.
LAWA's deal with Delta did not give them any rights to TBIT gates. During the construction phase of their project, Delta will be using the 3 gates at the northern end of TBIT to make up for any gate closures at T2/T3.
When the MSC is complete and provided Delta can show it has met certain usage conditions for its gates at T2/T3, it can request additional gates at TBIT from LAWA.
AA already has rights to gates at TBIT. It is expected those rights will become fully vested, meaning preferential, when the MSC opens.
Jun 7, 2017, 2:05 am
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And, must have changed quite recently!
http://mediaroom.jetblue.com/investo...2017-170633605
But I guess they'll have to move again in light of all this.
http://mediaroom.jetblue.com/investo...2017-170633605
But I guess they'll have to move again in light of all this.
AA will trade Eagle gates 1:1 with T5. It had/has 12 Eagle gates (3 inactive). IIRC, two became new gates at T4 so it is down to 10. T5 is 13 gates, 4 already belong to AA. AA takes the remaining 9 T5 gates. It will still be owed one more gate, which maybe can come from reconfiguring.
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Jun 7, 2017, 7:31 am
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JetBlue knows it is moving. These changes are all incredibly minor and of minimal investment. A lot is literally applying JetBlue logos to the significant work DL had done over the years. JetBlue will be there for a few years, so it's not to total waste, but again, none of it is significant.
AA will trade Eagle gates 1:1 with T5. It had/has 12 Eagle gates (3 inactive). IIRC, two became new gates at T4 so it is down to 10. T5 is 13 gates, 4 already belong to AA. AA takes the remaining 9 T5 gates. It will still be owed one more gate, which maybe can come from reconfiguring.
AA will trade Eagle gates 1:1 with T5. It had/has 12 Eagle gates (3 inactive). IIRC, two became new gates at T4 so it is down to 10. T5 is 13 gates, 4 already belong to AA. AA takes the remaining 9 T5 gates. It will still be owed one more gate, which maybe can come from reconfiguring.
Jun 7, 2017, 12:49 pm
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The CONRAC facility looks like it is bound by Aviation Blvd on the West side and La Cienega Blvd on the East, which is right next to the 405 at that point.
West Arbor Vitae St is North and West Century Blvd on the South. Looks like some of the hotels on that side of West Century Blvd will be gone - Holiday Inn, Travelodge, La Quinta. Although looking at it closer - looks like Holiday Inn and La Quinta remain. It will be a very large facility - likely multi-story.
Looks like the ITF (intermodal Transportation Facilities) will be what is on Aviation Blvd. And another ITF at the location of Avis/Budget etc. I assume ITF will be more than parking lots - but drop points as well.
West Arbor Vitae St is North and West Century Blvd on the South. Looks like some of the hotels on that side of West Century Blvd will be gone - Holiday Inn, Travelodge, La Quinta. Although looking at it closer - looks like Holiday Inn and La Quinta remain. It will be a very large facility - likely multi-story.
Looks like the ITF (intermodal Transportation Facilities) will be what is on Aviation Blvd. And another ITF at the location of Avis/Budget etc. I assume ITF will be more than parking lots - but drop points as well.
The Eagle's nest will be demolished. I'm lapsing on what LAX wants to put there. AA is very happy to exchange a grossly uncompetitive terminal building with RJ-only gates for mainline gates that don't require a 10 minute bus ride for T5 gates.
The fuller details of the deal will be public on June 15th, IIRC.
The fuller details of the deal will be public on June 15th, IIRC.
Some garages in CTA will probably need to be demolished to make room for more airline counters.
When MSC opens, TBIT will not have room for airlines counters (it already doesn't have enough room, hence some have to use T2 or T3 to check in).
At some point, LAWA will have to build a second check in hall for TBIT and maybe some other terminals.
When MSC opens, TBIT will not have room for airlines counters (it already doesn't have enough room, hence some have to use T2 or T3 to check in).
At some point, LAWA will have to build a second check in hall for TBIT and maybe some other terminals.
JetBlue knows it is moving. These changes are all incredibly minor and of minimal investment. A lot is literally applying JetBlue logos to the significant work DL had done over the years. JetBlue will be there for a few years, so it's not to total waste, but again, none of it is significant.
Forget about T7. The MSC and/or some expansion at T1/0 would be the best bet.
One thing to remember is that Terminals 2-8 will soon be connected to Bradley airside, so the inconvenience of check in at different terminal areas will be a short term problem. Long term, I can see T3 and T4 giving Western counter space to airlines using Bradley and the MSC, with T3 possibly giving all counter space to those airlines.
Jun 8, 2017, 12:01 am
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Jun 8, 2017, 1:05 am
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4-8 are, but 2 and 3 aren't yet. Delta is connecting them, for both online and partner connectivity. WN is also supposed to be connecting T1 to T2 to allow a fully airside experience at LAX. T9 and T0 would both be connected to their "mother" terminals airside.
Jun 8, 2017, 7:54 am
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And, must have changed quite recently!
http://mediaroom.jetblue.com/investo...2017-170633605
But I guess they'll have to move again in light of all this.
http://mediaroom.jetblue.com/investo...2017-170633605
But I guess they'll have to move again in light of all this.
Jun 8, 2017, 8:08 am
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Aug 6, 2017, 7:40 pm
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Where did you read this? If they have all of 4 & 5 won't they have to bring along some one world partners as Delta is having to do with their new lease? If AA is allowed to use 4&5 exclusively and operate its intl departures out of TBIT that would seem to give them a huge advantage over Delta and United.
Jul 14, 2018, 2:34 pm
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Hurray, the LAX Eagle's Nest is going away! > 2024 - future AA LAX changes
... in 2024.
"It also requires that they vacate their remote regional concourse by 2024".
http://www.theavgeek.net/2018/07/14/...mpression=true
Can't come soon enough...
"It also requires that they vacate their remote regional concourse by 2024".
http://www.theavgeek.net/2018/07/14/...mpression=true
Can't come soon enough...
Jul 14, 2018, 3:31 pm
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While there are some positives here, it does seem like AA is losing gates in this deal, as well as their maintenance facility?
