Nov 4, 2018, 9:00 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
We have changed horses as Oasis is being rolled out with 19 738s converted, the 7M8 in the fleet, and the A321 Oasis densification and dense A321neo arrive early 2019.
The dedicated threads are
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1938807-a321-32b-old-densified-a321-32b-oasis-aircraft-swap-seat-loss-etc.html
and
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1935763-738-original-dense-7m8-densified-738-oasis-aircraft-swap-seat-loss-etc.html.
The archived thread rolling this out
Rumor: LUS A321 fleet to be standardized, 190 seats
Apr 28, 2017, 7:04 pm
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Ever since the US/AA merger, I've seen airlines as near-monopolies, focused on ruthlessly extracting as much cash out of us as possible, and offering only the bare minimum necessary to extract that cash.
This is yet another example. Even in FC, we're just cattle with dollar signs attached to us.
This is yet another example. Even in FC, we're just cattle with dollar signs attached to us.
Apr 28, 2017, 10:50 pm
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Apr 29, 2017, 6:28 am
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Apr 29, 2017, 12:25 pm
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However, BA makes heavy use of the word "densification" in their Capital Markets Day presentation to investors
http://www.iagshares.com/phoenix.zht...-presentations
Apr 29, 2017, 2:35 pm
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Okay, so with the past rumor that they were going to increase F to 20 this math might make sense. Let me know if anyone agrees.
20 F
32 MCE
138 MC
For a total of 190. You see a reduction of MCE with an increase of F and MC.
20 F
32 MCE
138 MC
For a total of 190. You see a reduction of MCE with an increase of F and MC.
Apr 29, 2017, 3:03 pm
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if they increase to 20 F seats I'll be quite happy. I have yet (knock on wood) to sit in coach on the 321 and four more F seats will make that less likely.
Apr 29, 2017, 3:16 pm
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Parker mentioned on the last earnings call that AA felt it had a few ways to increase capacity on existing aircraft. I forget his exact words but this was mentioned. I suspect he was talking about the A321 fleet (along with the existing 772 mods underway). DL manages to have more seats on its A321s without sacrificing the passenger experience; of course, this comes with the caveat that DL opted for smaller galleys and different lavatory locations.
Also, HP never had A321s. Those were introduced to the "HP fleet" only after the HP-US merger. And, the old US A321s had a ridiculously big F cabin. While obviously great for upgrades, it wasn't great for RASM or CASM.
Also, HP never had A321s. Those were introduced to the "HP fleet" only after the HP-US merger. And, the old US A321s had a ridiculously big F cabin. While obviously great for upgrades, it wasn't great for RASM or CASM.
Apr 29, 2017, 3:17 pm
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There's also an airliners.net post about the 737 Max 8s going to 174 seats, and others getting an increase as well. I don't know about the veracity - http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewt...?f=3&t=1361743
And about the 321s...
Does anyone know the procedures involved with shifting around the lavatories? Because somewhere in the past, I recall a poster mentioning that there is a lot of FAA bureacracy involved in doing such a change (as opposed to just adding-- or taking out-- a row of seats).
Apr 29, 2017, 4:21 pm
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Apr 29, 2017, 7:08 pm
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Prepare to be shocked. 26. As a silver, I never flew in coach on any 321 flight, systemwide, until they went to 16F post HP merger. They flew with 26F/143Y from 2001-2008, when Parker changed them to the current config as US-West started receiving new deliveries.
Apr 29, 2017, 10:26 pm
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Apr 30, 2017, 10:56 am
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Gary Leff: Will American Eliminate a Row of First Class From 737s?
If this is not fake news, then it is absolutely horrifying:
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....st-class-737s/
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....st-class-737s/
Apr 30, 2017, 11:10 am
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I think we have different standards for what constitutes "absolutely horrifying."
If 16 seats is higher than the optimal number from a business standpoint, then it makes perfect sense for them to consider a reduction.
If 16 seats is higher than the optimal number from a business standpoint, then it makes perfect sense for them to consider a reduction.
Apr 30, 2017, 11:11 am
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It's definitely time for the FAA to step in and mandate minimum pitch and width limits.