Old Aug 28, 17, 9:07 pm
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The 27JAN17 investor update included AA's Fleet Plan for 2017. Changes have been made since that.

For 2017, the plan was:

* MAINLINE DELIVERIES (+58) *

- 20 Airbus A321: +8 Q1, +7 Q2, +5 Q3,
- 20 Boeing 737-800: +5 Q1, +5 Q2, +5 Q3, +5 Q4
- 5 Boeing 737 Max: +1 Q3, +4 Q4
- 3 Boeing 787-8: +2 Q1, +1 Q2
- 10 Boeing 787-9: +2 Q1, +2 Q2, +3 Q3, +3 Q4

* MAINLINE RETIREMENTS (-56) *

- 5 Airbus A320: -1 Q1, -2 Q2, -1 Q3, -1 Q4
- 17 Boeing 757-200: -12 Q3, -5 Q4
- 9 Boeing 767-300ER: -1 Q2, -4 Q3, -4 Q4
- 25 MD-80: -5 Q1, -20 Q3

* MAINLINE FLEET COUNT AT YE2017 * (projected)

- 319 = 125
- 320 = 46 (-5)
- 321 = 219 (+20)
- 332 = 15
- 333 = 9
- 738 = 304 (+20)
- 738M = 5 (+5)
- 752 = 34 (-17)
- 763 = 22 (-9)
- 772 = 47
- 77W = 20
- 788 = 20 (+3)
- 789 = 14 (+10)
- E90 = 20
- S80 = 32 (-25)
- Total = 931 (+1)


* REGIONAL DELIVERIES (+31) *

- 19 CRJ-700: +9 Q1, +7 Q2, +3 Q3
- 12 E-175: +3 Q1, +6 Q2, +3 Q3

* REGIONAL RETIREMENTS (-55) *

- 23 CRJ-200: -20 Q1, -2 Q2, -1 Q3
- 19 Dash 8-100: -8 Q1, -3 Q2, -4 Q3, -4 Q4
- 13 ERJ-140: -13 Q1

* REGIONAL FLEET COUNT AT YE2017 *

- CR2 = 97 (-23)
- CR7 = 98 (+19)
- CR9 = 118
- DH1 = 4 (-19)
- DH3 = 11
- E75 = 136 (+12)
- ERD = 0 (-13)
- ER4 = 118
- Total = 582 (-24)

For perspective, Hector Adler's full May 2016 missive:

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Hector Adler 
 Vice President Flight Service 
 
 May 13, 2016 
 
 Dear Colleagues, 
 
 We would like to tell you about some fleet changes American has planned 
 over the next several years. We are sharing this information now in order 
 to keep you apprised well in advance of those things that may affect your 
 decisions down the road. Now is the right time to make changes that will 
 help keep our flying in line with demand and put the right plane on the 
 right route. Over the next few years, American will be phasing out Embraer 
 E190s and Airbus A330-300s, and accelerating retirements of Boeing B767s. 
 
 Here are the planned changes for each fleet type: 
 
 Embraer E190 
 
 American plans to phase out our E190s by the end of 2019. Scott Kirby 
 has said since the merger that eventually we would either need to 
 increase this fleet or phase it out. The E190s have some expensive 
 maintenance scheduled in the near future, so it makes sense to phase 
 them out of the fleet in 2019. 
 
 Some key points on the E190: 
 
  Today, these 20 aircraft primarily fly on the American Shuttle. The Shuttle 
 isnt going away. Its a great product for our customers, and we want to 
 keep their business. 
  Because we are still several years away, we havent decided which aircraft 
 will fly the Shuttle. But we will maintain the mix of mainline/regional Shuttle 
 flying per the APA contract. 
  The E190 is the only active fleet type in pay band Group I of the APA 
 contract. After retiring our E190s, new hire pilots will train to fly Group II 
 aircraft in the future. 
 
 Airbus A330-300 
 
 This is an aircraft that has served US Airways well. But we only have nine 
 of them and, again, smaller fleets can be pricey to maintain. Their Pratt & 
 Whitney PW4168 engine is unique in our fleet, adding maintenance 
 complexity and expense for such a small number of aircraft. With a 
 seat count of 291, its duplicative of B777-200ERs, which are being 
 retrofitted to 289 seats. 
 
  A330-300 retirements begin in 2017 and will be done by the end of 2018. 
 
  A330 pilots are qualified on both the -200 and -300. 
 
  Flight attendants will be offered training in advance of the B777-200ER 
 being introduced in designated markets. 
 
  No changes are planned for our 15 A330-200s. 
 
 Boeing B767 
 
 As you know, we have been retiring B767s. Our first B767s were delivered 
 in 1988 and at times, this type has been a challenge for our international 
 reliability. We have 40 today. Our previous plan had been to draw down 
 this fleet to 25 aircraft by the end of 2017. We will now retire an additional 
 eight aircraft in 2018, leaving us with the 17 youngest aircraft in this fleet, 
 which have all been retrofitted with fully lie-flat seats in Business Class. 
 
 Our fleet is experiencing transformational change. Fast. American is taking 
 delivery of a new mainline aircraft every seven days and by 2017, the 
 average age of our aircraft will be less than 10 years old. Thats the 
 youngest of the U.S. network carriers (and some others, too). In fact, 
 in 2015 we took delivery of more new planes than any airline in the world, 
 and there are more on the way. We have an order book that includes 
 new B737s, the B737 MAX, more A321s, A321neos and (on the widebody 
 side) B787-8s and B787-9s arriving this year and A350s next year. 
 
 Pilots qualified on these aircraft will have plenty of time to go through necessary 
 training and adjust to our new fleet lineup. Flight attendants are either cross-
 qualified or will be able to train on new aircraft in advance. 
 
 Were making these changes at a great time for our airline and our fleet. 
 Customer demand and profits are both strong, and with so many new planes 
 on the way  both narrowbodies and widebodies  opportunities continue 
 to be plentiful. 
 
 Please reach out to your Chief Pilot, Flight Service Manager, Base Manager 
 or us with any questions. 
 
 Best regards, 
 Hector Adler, etc. etc.
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Old Feb 8, 17, 10:54 am
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Originally Posted by JDiver
Most of the 757s are slated to be replaced by A321neos, iirc.
Agreed. What's interesting is that the 321NEOs won't show up in numbers for a while.
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Old Feb 8, 17, 11:00 am
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Originally Posted by reeg2
Aren't the 757's going simply due to how much fuel they burn?

The pilots consider them sports cars, and love them for their over-sized engines. But in the age of squeezing everything possible on fuel economy, they're on the way out.
Yes, I think Boeing has entertained the idea of next generation 757 type of thing. But back then considering feedback from airlines, 757 order status, etc. and Boing decided on 737-900, terminated 757 program and not offer direct replacement of classic 757.
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Originally Posted by FrogProf
* MAINLINE RETIREMENTS (-56) *

- 17 Boeing 757-200: -12 Q3, -5 Q4

Anyway to know how many of the retiring 757s are domestic and how many are international? I don't mind 3 or so hours in a domestic 757, but it's a tough 7-8 hours (DFW-LIM) in that old 75L.
This +1. I have no clue which 757s AA intends to park by year's end. According to the unofficial fleet site, at least ten 757s that have been refurbished with the A321T J seats and new seats in the rear. If I had to guess, I would wager the 16 LUS 757s might be on the way out due to four door configuration instead of the three door configuration of the LAA 757s. Or only the LUS 757s used for PHX-Hawai'i will stay along with the 75L fleet with the new interior. I have no idea on the final number of 757s that will have the new interior. Probably a JonNYC question.
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Originally Posted by diver858
Any indication was to if/when they will be upgraded? Parker gave some early lip service to MCE, his actions have fallen well short.
I would like to know this as well. I have not heard anything to this end in months. I remember reading somewhere on this board that the hold up had to do with AA deciding whether or not to put AVOD in these planes. Given their decision a couple of weeks ago regarding the 737 MAX, I would say this is no longer a sticking point. Has any timeline or info been released about putting MCE and power in the LUS A320/321 fleet?

I was hoping they would do this when the put the new seat covers in, but was quite disappointed. I find myself on these birds far too often.
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So soon the 24 seat First Class 757, which virtually assured a comp upgrade will be Gone, and replaced with some aircraft with only 8 First Class seats.

Maybe now is the time to give Delta another try.
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Originally Posted by UncleDude
So soon the 24 seat First Class 757, which virtually assured a comp upgrade will be Gone, and replaced with some aircraft with only 8 First Class seats.

Maybe now is the time to give Delta another try.
AA's 321 (non-transcon version) have 16 F seats (the 319s have 8 F). This is still a worse F:Y ratio than the 757, no doubt, but it's not as bad as 8F on the 321 would be.
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I do feel bad about 757. 757 is good aircraft and all those complaints about 757s has nothing to do with 757 as aircraft, but about how poorly AA has maintained the interior of 757.....snip....
Personally the 757 is my favorite single aisle airplane. 99% of the time I fly up front and I love that the 1st/business section is in front of the loading door. I can board last and still have room in the overhead.
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Originally Posted by zarkov505
There's a separate announcement, that came out later, that says the 737 Max airplanes will NOT have seatback entertainment, just Wi-Fi to stream to your personal devices.

It saves AA a lot of money and weight to remove all those screens.
But the 737-800 deliveries (and which are near the end of their order shipment) are not the same as the 737 MAX. Just as the current 321 deliveries (which are also near the end of their order shipment) are not the same as the 321neo deliveries. I did not get the impression the lack of seat-back monitors was affecting the current deliveries. And those seat designs were probably ordered a while back and not capable of being changed.
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Originally Posted by ty97
- The MD80s (a few of them at least) keep going into 2018. Did not expect that.
Nor did I expect them to keep the 20 E90s.
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Originally Posted by Fanjet
But the 737-800 deliveries (and which are near the end of their order shipment) are not the same as the 737 MAX. Just as the current 321 deliveries (which are also near the end of their order shipment) are not the same as the 321neo deliveries. I did not get the impression the lack of seat-back monitors was affecting the current deliveries. And those seat designs were probably ordered a while back and not capable of being changed.
The A321s and B737s remaining will have IFE, according to the AA announcement. The A320neo and 737-MAX for sure will not.
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I thought the A-330-300s were going to start exiting this year.

Yee. Post #4000.
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Originally Posted by AlwaysAisle
I do feel bad about 757. 757 is good aircraft and all those complaints about 757s has nothing to do with 757 as aircraft, but about how poorly AA has maintained the interior of 757. [...]
+1, words cannot express how true I think this is....

I have always despised the 757 because I had only flew on AA's. But after experiencing DL's 757 on a 10 hour flight, it was a world apart (IFE, new seats, etc), even in Y. If AA's 757s were similar, I would be truly sad to see them go. IMHO, they are a good aircraft when used properly.
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Originally Posted by IADCAflyer
I thought the A-330-300s were going to start exiting this year.

Yee. Post #4000.
Previously, the plan released last year had the 767 at YE 2017 at 25. New plan is for 22. One of the 767s AA planned to keep long term was written off with the engine fire, hence they're bringing one back from retirement to fly this summer. Interesting to see a couple of the reconfigured 767s will go this year. The retirement of the A330-300s was supposedly related to engine maintenance. I guess AA is contemplating on retiring them all next year instead of drawing it out later this year. With the installation of W across the 772/788/77W/A332 fleet supposedly starting later this year, presumably after the summer, might need to the A333s to cover routes until the W installation is complete. I thought the A333 retirement was happening once the 777 CIP was complete as the low J 772s would take over the former A333 routes. Well things change.
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Originally Posted by FlyerWx
+1, words cannot express how true I think this is....

I have always despised the 757 because I had only flew on AA's. But after experiencing DL's 757 on a 10 hour flight, it was a world apart (IFE, new seats, etc), even in Y. If AA's 757s were similar, I would be truly sad to see them go. IMHO, they are a good aircraft when used properly.
I agree and I disagree. While DL's do appear far more attractive and have all the bells and whistles, the F pitch is terrible at 37". This is really the only area I prefer the AA 757. DL has done a great job making their 757s appear nice and fresh, unlike AA.
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I think the best news with this fleet plan is the reduction of CR2s. Hopefully this will be a trend at AA for the next several years.
Unfortunately not so for the E140s. Still too many of these.
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