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Configuration is F 16, 156 Y (of which 30 are MCE) IFE WiFi streaming, Internet WiFi via ViaSat, 110 VAC Universal plug plus 5 VDC USB low output.
For the Guide / master threads on this aircraft, please see
Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 First / Business Seats, Etc.
and Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 Main Cabin, MCE Seats, Etc.
In the order of Boeing 737 aircraft, AA included 100 737 MAX 8 orders with options for 60 more. The first 737 MAX -8 flew at the assembly facility in Renton, WAshington, USA on 29 Jan 2016. Deliveries to AA commenced in late in 2017, with four delivered in 2017. 16 more will be delivered during 2018, 20 during 2019. IATA code B38M; AA code "7M8".
NOTE: ALL 737-800s (and two class A321-32B) will be retrofitted to 737 MAX 8 seating, slimline “advanced“ lavatories, IFE and WiFi standards under Project Oasis over the next three years.
The 737 MAX 8* is essentially a replacement to the 737-800 with passenger capacity of 172. (Read onward for seat configuration.) Range with Advanced Technology (AT) Split Scimitar Winglets is expected to be 3,515 nmi (6,510 km). (In comparison, the APB Blended Winglets 737-800 has range of 3,115 nmi or 5,765 km fully loaded.) See this page on Gizmodo for more information.
The fourth generation 737 MAX 8 (first flight 2016) includes airframe and wingtip modifications (Boeing “Scimitar” Advanced Technology Winglets) for enhanced efficiency and will use the larger and more efficient CFM International LEAP-1B engines. This will allegedly allow a 20% improvement in fuel burn over A320 aircraft, a 4% improvement over the A320neo* (new engine option), a 14% fuel burn reduction over the 737NG / 737-823 currently in use and a 37% fuel burn reduction over the 757-200.
(*The slightly longer and longer range A321-200neo will come in 2019.)
Boeing 737-800 Scimitar Split Winglets
The 737 MAX has the Boeing Sky Interior with LED interior lighting based on the Boeing 787 interior, overhead bins and fee-based ViaSat satellite-based Ka band WiFi. Individual seatback seatback video screens are no longer offered; AA has chosen free high quality live streaming music and movies (streamed from an onboard server and generally using the free downloadable GoGo Entertainment app) and high speed ViaSat Ka band Internet are said to be both sufficient and “the wave of the future”. At seat power is universal plug at 110 VAC plus 5.1 VDC USB; "large" overhead (cases stand on side) bins are provided.
The new 787 MAX aircraft carry 172 passengers: 16 in First, 30 in Main Cabin Extra and 126 in Main Cabin for a total of 172. Main Cabin will feature 30" seat pitch with Rockwell Collins Interior Design "Meridian" slimline seats, which AA states these seats' 30" pitch "feels like" 31" and is a more comfortable seat than previous generations (of slimline seats). The new “Spacewall“ ultra slimline lavatory (29” in F, 24” in Y) are “densified”, as well.
(AA revised its original plans to provide some rows of 29" pitch seats in the MAX 8 by switching out one MCE row, as of 12 June 2017.) See memo posted by CO777 in post 377.
"An American spokesman said the airline will add 40 Max jets to its fleet by the end of 2019. It has 100 on order." Existing and remaining Boeing 737-800 / 823s (two-class A321 and 32B aircraft will be “densified” with the new Meridian seats and Spacewall lavatories as well) will be configured to the same seat plan as the 737-MAX 8, going from 160 to 172 total seats.
Link to full article in CNN Money, 3 May 2017.
*Boeing aircraft are changing nomenclature. Like the existing 747-8 and 787-8 and -9, the 737 MAX 8 on order by AA will be the -8, not -800.
HISTORICAL / COMPARISON:
Boeing 737-100 "Fat Albert" entered service with Lufthansa in 1968
MTOW 110,000 lb; Range 1,540 nm; 85 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-400 "Classic" entered service in 1984
MTOW 150,000 lb; Range ~2,100 nm; 147 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-800 "Next Generation" entered service in 1998
MTOW 174,200 lb; Range ~2,935 nm; 150-160-172 passengers in 2 AA class config
Boeing 737 MAX 8 entered service in 2017
MTOW 181,200 lb; Range 3,610 nm; 172 passengers in AA 2 class config
*Click HERE for a list of registration “tail” numbers of 737 MAX 8 deliveries.
All posts regarding AA 737 MAX 8 safety etc. as related to the crashes have been consolidated in one thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...37-max-8s.html.
This thread is dedicated to general discussion of the 737 MAX 8. There are other threads to post to:
Recent crashes and effect on AA: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1939333-recent-737-max-crashes-effects-aa-737-max-8s.html
7M8 First / Business cabin and MiQ seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1880631-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-first-business-seats-etc.html
7M8 Main Cabin and MCE cabins, Meridian seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1892121-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-meridian-main-cabin-mce-seats-etc.html
7M8 Space overhead bins related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1951594-max-oasis-big-bins-agents-told-not-proactively-gate-check-bags-jan-2019-a.html
7M8 Spacewall lavatory related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1919254-737-max-8-bathrooms-air-carrier-access-act-compliant.html
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This thread is dedicated to general discussion of the 737 MAX 8. There are other threads to post to:
Recent crashes and effect on AA: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1939333-recent-737-max-crashes-effects-aa-737-max-8s.html
7M8 First / Business cabin and MiQ seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1880631-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-first-business-seats-etc.html
7M8 Main Cabin and MCE cabins, Meridian seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1892121-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-meridian-main-cabin-mce-seats-etc.html
7M8 Space overhead bins related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1951594-max-oasis-big-bins-agents-told-not-proactively-gate-check-bags-jan-2019-a.html
7M8 Spacewall lavatory related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1919254-737-max-8-bathrooms-air-carrier-access-act-compliant.html
Moderator
For the Guide / master threads on this aircraft, please see
Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 First / Business Seats, Etc.
and Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 Main Cabin, MCE Seats, Etc.
In the order of Boeing 737 aircraft, AA included 100 737 MAX 8 orders with options for 60 more. The first 737 MAX -8 flew at the assembly facility in Renton, WAshington, USA on 29 Jan 2016. Deliveries to AA commenced in late in 2017, with four delivered in 2017. 16 more will be delivered during 2018, 20 during 2019. IATA code B38M; AA code "7M8".
NOTE: ALL 737-800s (and two class A321-32B) will be retrofitted to 737 MAX 8 seating, slimline “advanced“ lavatories, IFE and WiFi standards under Project Oasis over the next three years.
American Airlines Boeing 737 MAX 8 SSW
The 737 MAX 8* is essentially a replacement to the 737-800 with passenger capacity of 172. (Read onward for seat configuration.) Range with Advanced Technology (AT) Split Scimitar Winglets is expected to be 3,515 nmi (6,510 km). (In comparison, the APB Blended Winglets 737-800 has range of 3,115 nmi or 5,765 km fully loaded.) See this page on Gizmodo for more information.
The fourth generation 737 MAX 8 (first flight 2016) includes airframe and wingtip modifications (Boeing “Scimitar” Advanced Technology Winglets) for enhanced efficiency and will use the larger and more efficient CFM International LEAP-1B engines. This will allegedly allow a 20% improvement in fuel burn over A320 aircraft, a 4% improvement over the A320neo* (new engine option), a 14% fuel burn reduction over the 737NG / 737-823 currently in use and a 37% fuel burn reduction over the 757-200.
(*The slightly longer and longer range A321-200neo will come in 2019.)
Boeing 737-800 Scimitar Split Winglets
The 737 MAX has the Boeing Sky Interior with LED interior lighting based on the Boeing 787 interior, overhead bins and fee-based ViaSat satellite-based Ka band WiFi. Individual seatback seatback video screens are no longer offered; AA has chosen free high quality live streaming music and movies (streamed from an onboard server and generally using the free downloadable GoGo Entertainment app) and high speed ViaSat Ka band Internet are said to be both sufficient and “the wave of the future”. At seat power is universal plug at 110 VAC plus 5.1 VDC USB; "large" overhead (cases stand on side) bins are provided.
The new 787 MAX aircraft carry 172 passengers: 16 in First, 30 in Main Cabin Extra and 126 in Main Cabin for a total of 172. Main Cabin will feature 30" seat pitch with Rockwell Collins Interior Design "Meridian" slimline seats, which AA states these seats' 30" pitch "feels like" 31" and is a more comfortable seat than previous generations (of slimline seats). The new “Spacewall“ ultra slimline lavatory (29” in F, 24” in Y) are “densified”, as well.
(AA revised its original plans to provide some rows of 29" pitch seats in the MAX 8 by switching out one MCE row, as of 12 June 2017.) See memo posted by CO777 in post 377.
"An American spokesman said the airline will add 40 Max jets to its fleet by the end of 2019. It has 100 on order." Existing and remaining Boeing 737-800 / 823s (two-class A321 and 32B aircraft will be “densified” with the new Meridian seats and Spacewall lavatories as well) will be configured to the same seat plan as the 737-MAX 8, going from 160 to 172 total seats.
Link to full article in CNN Money, 3 May 2017.
*Boeing aircraft are changing nomenclature. Like the existing 747-8 and 787-8 and -9, the 737 MAX 8 on order by AA will be the -8, not -800.
HISTORICAL / COMPARISON:
Boeing 737-100 "Fat Albert" entered service with Lufthansa in 1968
MTOW 110,000 lb; Range 1,540 nm; 85 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-400 "Classic" entered service in 1984
MTOW 150,000 lb; Range ~2,100 nm; 147 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-800 "Next Generation" entered service in 1998
MTOW 174,200 lb; Range ~2,935 nm; 150-160-172 passengers in 2 AA class config
Boeing 737 MAX 8 entered service in 2017
MTOW 181,200 lb; Range 3,610 nm; 172 passengers in AA 2 class config
*Click HERE for a list of registration “tail” numbers of 737 MAX 8 deliveries.
ARCHIVE: AA 737 MAX 8 SSW / 7M8 aircraft in service Nov 2017 (discussion)
May 3, 2017, 8:52 am
#91
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For those speculating about IFE and WiFi, the specifications for these are listed in the Wikipost, which has been updated to reflect the CNN announcement of three rows of 29" seat pitch.
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Last edited by JDiver; May 3, 2017 at 9:04 am
May 3, 2017, 8:55 am
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He made a lot of unpopular cost cutting decisions in the ensuing years, but he kept US afloat and was able to orchestrate the biggest airline merger in history.
May 3, 2017, 9:13 am
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That said, some airlines are on my no-fly list and I have no problem paying (reasonable) more to avoid them altogether.
May 3, 2017, 9:50 am
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There seems to be a race among airlines to see who can reach bottom first.
American: 29 or 20 inch seat pitch
Jet Blue: 34 inch seat pitch
I use American less often since the last few AAdvantage changes have made that almost worthless. Might be time to just kick them to the curb.
American: 29 or 20 inch seat pitch
Jet Blue: 34 inch seat pitch
I use American less often since the last few AAdvantage changes have made that almost worthless. Might be time to just kick them to the curb.
May 3, 2017, 9:54 am
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I'm no apologist for Parker, but US went bankrupt in 2002 and 2004 - both before he took the helm after the 2005 merger with HP. He also became CEO of HP right after 9/11/01 and somehow kept the airline operating long enough to hitch up with US.
He made a lot of unpopular cost cutting decisions in the ensuing years, but he kept US afloat and was able to orchestrate the biggest airline merger in history.
He made a lot of unpopular cost cutting decisions in the ensuing years, but he kept US afloat and was able to orchestrate the biggest airline merger in history.
YtravelF was criticizing pre-merger, pre-Parker, US Air for its overly generous F cabins on its A321s. I disagree with YtravelF's conclusions, but their post had nothing to do with HP or Doug Parker's US Airways.
May 3, 2017, 9:54 am
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If only JetBlue was an option for more of us.
May 3, 2017, 10:09 am
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The CNN article states 3 rows will be 29" - perhaps basic economy fares can be restricted to sitting only in those rows. Thing is, if 29" pitch doesn't reduce bookings, they could go further and make all rows 29" (or cut some rows to 28") and add even more seats. It's possible MCE could be only the exit and bulkhead rows which have extra legroom by design.
May 3, 2017, 10:12 am
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And as nobody has mentioned it, the 737 Max will also have smaller toilets, how that is possible, I don't know.
May 3, 2017, 10:14 am
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The CNN article states 3 rows will be 29" - perhaps basic economy fares can be restricted to sitting only in those rows. Thing is, if 29" pitch doesn't reduce bookings, they could go further and make all rows 29" (or cut some rows to 28") and add even more seats. It's possible MCE could be only the exit and bulkhead rows which have extra legroom by design.
May 3, 2017, 10:15 am
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As I said on Post #12 , will there be enough room around a seat to place a tablet or a lap top and view the screen comfortably? Possible that will still feel the bang on the back of the seat from a passenger behind try to place a tablet or a lap top around and moving every minute to make feel comfortable.
As for the notion that this is only going to affect kettles flying on basic economy fares, that's only true up until the point that there's IrrOps. Just a few weeks ago I ended up in the very back row of a 737 when my flight's inbound was diverted. I was glad to be able to leave, but as far as I could tell the entire back row was EXPs, at least one of whom had previously been booked in F.
May 3, 2017, 10:17 am
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I wonder if we're going to get to a weird world where RJs become more desirable than a mainline jet. I mean, a CR7 isn't long enough to shoehorn another row into just by playing seat-pitch games. (Not that I'm daring anybody to try!!)
I already find RJs more desirable if I'm flying on an airline as a non-elite: at least then, I cannot get a middle seat.
I already find RJs more desirable if I'm flying on an airline as a non-elite: at least then, I cannot get a middle seat.
May 3, 2017, 11:14 am
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I'll take an E175 or CRJ900/700 any day over mainline!
May 3, 2017, 11:19 am
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I wonder if we're going to get to a weird world where RJs become more desirable than a mainline jet. I mean, a CR7 isn't long enough to shoehorn another row into just by playing seat-pitch games. (Not that I'm daring anybody to try!!)
I already find RJs more desirable if I'm flying on an airline as a non-elite: at least then, I cannot get a middle seat.
I already find RJs more desirable if I'm flying on an airline as a non-elite: at least then, I cannot get a middle seat.
May 3, 2017, 11:20 am
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