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AA Basic Economy Fare as of 2017 (and on AY, BA, IB) (Master thread)

AA Basic Economy Fare as of 2017 (and on AY, BA, IB) (Master thread)

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Basic Economy Fare Introduced Feb 2017

Transatlantic Basic Economy Across JBV (AA, AY, BA, IB) Began April 2018
(see below)


Link to aa.com page


Link to AA press release

Link to Gary Leff's blog article

Originally Posted by NYC Flyer View Post
Basic Economy always books into B, but it is what's referred to as a dual booking class fare. The fare is determined by availability of B class (which is generally, but not always unlimited if the route offers Basic Economy), as well as another booking class (N,Q,V, etc.). A fare basis of Q3UZNB3 represents a Basic Economy "branded" fare that requires both Q and B classes to be available for sale at the time the reservation is made. This is not dissimilar to an instant upgrade fare. Purchasing a ticket with a fare basis of KVEUPNIF allows the passenger to be booked in I class (first class on domestic flights), provided both K and I classes are available at the time the reservation is made...
NOTE: During OSO / IROPS, some were being inadvertently rebooked from Main Cabin / Economy into Basic Economy (losing better seating, upgrade options, etc.) See AA Errors Reticketing into Basic Economy Fare

Special notice
Customers flying Basic Economy are now allowed 1 free carry-on (in addition to a personal item) to all destinations.
As of July 2019, Basic Economy passengers can purchase seats up to seven days before flying. Link to JonNYC Tweet.
Link to archived FT speculation thread

AA offers Basic Economy fares in across its domestic network and on transatlantic routes.

The boarding pass displays a large, scarlet B on it.

"These no-frills tickets provide a simple and affordable way to experience American’s network, and provide customers the option to pay for the services they want." - AA

Restrictions

A ticket gets you a seat in Main Cabin, with restrictions:
  • 1 item that fits under the seat in front of you and one regular overhead bin carryon as of 5 Sep 2018 and onward.) (Practically, Boarding in the last group offers a high chance rollaboard will be gate-checked.)

  • Seats assigned at check-in

  • Fees to choose a specific seat

  • Not eligible for upgrades

  • No flight changes or refunds

  • Board in last group* (Group 9)

  • Earn 0.5 EQM, 0.5 EQS per mile / segment flown


Inflight experience - Snacks and inflight entertainment included.

Earn AAdvantage miles (but see below - 0.5 EQM, 0.5 EQS)

OSO / IROPS - Will be reaccommodated on AA, not other airlines

[QUOTE]Routes

Some Basic Economy fares became available for purchase on select routes for travel starting March 1 2017, some international and transatlantic flights.

"Here’s a look at what Basic Economy customers can expect:

In-flight experience – The same in-flight experience that all Main Cabin customers receive today, including free entertainment options, soft drinks, and snacks, and the same seats.

Seat assignments – Made automatically and only when customers check in. Paid seat assignments can be purchased 7 days before the flight.

Elite member access to Main Cabin Extra - Basic Economy fare tickets aren't eligible for complimentary/discounted access to Main Cabin Extra seats. (Link)

UpgradesNot permitted, regardless of elite status level.

Bags – One personal carry-on item that fits under the seat (such as a purse or small backpack) and one overhead bin bag may be brought on board effective 5 Sep 2018.

N.B. Elite customers and eligible AAdvantage® credit cardmembers will be allowed to bring one personal item, one rollaboard, and they maintain their current free checked bag allowance.

Boarding – Basic Economy customers will comprise the last boarding group and will be seated in the Main Cabin. Elite customers and eligible AAdvantage® credit cardmembers will continue to receive Priority or preferred boarding even when purchasing this fare.

Tickets – Non-refundable, non-changeable. Use it or lose it. No same-day flight change or same-day standby.

AAdvantage – Full AAdvantage miles and Elite Qualifying Dollars may be earned when purchasing these fares; however, only one-half Elite Qualifying Mile will be earned per mile flown, and one-half Elite Qualifying Segment per segment flown.

Multiple disclosures spell out the attributes of a Basic Economy ticket at the time of purchase on aa.com, and when utilizing the airline’s reservations phone centers or when booking through a travel agent or online travel site. In addition to clear disclosures at the time of purchase, Basic Economy customers will also receive reminders as their travel day gets closer, including at check-in kiosks at the airport.

“Our goal is to make sure that all customers have the opportunity to purchase a ticket on American that works for their specific needs,” said Robert Isom. “We will work hard to ensure transparency, provide clear explanations of these fares, and we look forward to continuing to offer a wide variety of services to our customers.'"

Also note that Gary Leff confirmed

Update: American has now confirmed to me that basic economy customers will not be re-accommodated on other airlines, and will be at the bottom of the list for automatic re-accommodation (on AA) as well. However basic economy “B” inventory will not need to be available in order to be moved onto another flight.


Q&A

Is this a new fare discount?

No; it is a new lowest fare. These fares will be lower than regular Main Cabin fares in the same way that discounted Main Cabin fares are lower than fully flexible Y fares.


How many Basic Economy seats will be available on each flight?

The number will vary depending on the same factors that affect pricing generally. Revenue management, as usual.


How many markets will have Basic Economy fares available?

AA introduced Basic Economy in ten markets and expanded in to many domestic, international (including transatlantic) Flights.


Is the on-board experience in Basic Economy different?

“Once on the plane, Basic Economy customers have the same in-flight experience as anyone else in Main Cabin, including complimentary soft drinks and a snack. They sit in regular Main Cabin seats. American has no plans to alter its seats or the interior of its aircraft for Basic Economy.”


Will families that include young children be seated together?

“As it does today, American’s reservations system will check for families
traveling with children 13 and under a few days before the flight, and
attempt to seat each child with an adult. This is the same process we
follow for Main Cabin customers.”


TRANSATLANTIC JBV BASIC ECONOMY APPLICATION (April 2018)

Now: Basic Economy on select flights to Europe
AA News, Thursday, March 01, 2018, 8:30 AM <link>

“Starting in April (2018), American will introduce Basic Economy on some trans-Atlantic flights, giving customers a new option for our lowest fares.

We're making this addition together with our Atlantic Joint Business partners British Airways, Iberia and Finnair.

We're following the same playbook in this latest expansion as we did for the initial rollout of Basic Economy. That includes training that began this week for Airports and Reservations team members and making it available in a limited number of markets first to make sure we get it right.

In general, most options and restrictions for trans-Atlantic Basic Economy are similar to those for domestic Basic Economy or for short-haul international Basic Economy such as flights to Canada, although there are a few differences.

A closer look at domestic and trans-Atlantic Basic Economy

Link to download pdf

Boarding: Trans-Atlantic Basic Economy customers, including those originating with a domestic leg, will board in Group 8. Elite customers and eligible AAdvantage® credit card members will continue to receive Priority or preferred boarding even when purchasing this fare. (British Airways and American only, on American this will mean Group 8, and this doesn’t apply to Finnair or Iberia.)

Carry-on Bags: The carry-on bag allowance for all international Main Cabin fares, including trans-Atlantic Basic Economy, is one personal item and one larger carry-on. This is unchanged from international Main Cabin fares today.

Checked Bags: Regular Main Cabin fares will continue to include one checked bag for free. A new fee will apply for the first checked bag on trans-Atlantic Basic Economy. (But AA Elites retain their respective free checked baggage allowances.)

Connections: Customers flying on a domestic Basic Economy leg connecting to a trans-Atlantic Basic Economy ticket will travel under the rules of the international ticket, including the carry-on bag allowance.

Inflight experience: Regardless of whether they are traveling on a Basic Economy fare or a regular Main Cabin fare, all Main Cabin customers will have the same experience, including the same free entertainment, soft drinks, snacks and meals offered today.

Seat assignments: Free seat assignments are made automatically when customers check in. Customers flying trans-Atlantic Basic Economy can purchase a seat assignment at any time.

Tickets: Non-refundable. No same-day flight change or same-day standby. However, the tickets are changeable (for a fee), which is different from domestic Basic Economy where changes are not allowed at all.

Upgrades: Not permitted, regardless of elite status level.”
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Old Apr 2, 19, 7:19 pm
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Originally Posted by newyorkgeorge View Post
AA might see it as a way to encourage more people to buy MC when they see the seat pitch. It would also means customers get what they pay for. Why should the person that ended up in MCE on a BE fare get the same benefits as the pax that shelled out extra $$ for BE?
If people buying BE are routinely getting MCE, than AA is doing something wrong. Of course, the person who bought BE didn’t get the same benefits as the one who bought MCE. They couldn’t make any changes to their ticket for any price and they never got to select a seat, they just got lucky a better one was assigned. I don’t think AA will ever have a separate BE cabin because they want to be able to vary the amount of BE seats they can sell by flight.
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Old Apr 2, 19, 7:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Cledaybuck View Post

If people buying BE are routinely getting MCE, than AA is doing something wrong. Of course, the person who bought BE didn’t get the same benefits as the one who bought MCE. They couldn’t make any changes to their ticket for any price and they never got to select a seat, they just got lucky a better one was assigned. I don’t think AA will ever have a separate BE cabin because they want to be able to vary the amount of BE seats they can sell by flight.
+1.
Imagine if you have to buy a last minute ticket or being rebooked due to misconnect and you end up in the BE cabin all the way in the back because all main cabin seats are sold out ?
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Old Apr 3, 19, 11:28 pm
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i purchased a basic economy ticket in iberia website with Iberia flight number but BA plane. I called Iberia and informed them that I purchased a basic economy, she said eventhough I purchased BE, since I am an emerald I can check in 1 luggage for free. Any experiences here?
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Old Apr 3, 19, 11:33 pm
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Originally Posted by JNLentertainment View Post
i purchased a basic economy ticket in iberia website with Iberia flight number but BA plane. I called Iberia and informed them that I purchased a basic economy, she said eventhough I purchased BE, since I am an emerald I can check in 1 luggage for free. Any experiences here?
I only have experience in aa, but it was the same--status has free checked bag as usual.
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Old Apr 3, 19, 11:48 pm
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Exclamation Alis grave nil!

BA does not check any luggage for free with basic economy tickets (not even its own emerald members), despite what the Iberia agent told you.

The relevant table with all the permutations has been posted before:

www.flyertalk.com/forum/30655587-post495.html

Originally Posted by JNLentertainment View Post
i purchased a basic economy ticket in iberia website with Iberia flight number but BA plane. I called Iberia and informed them that I purchased a basic economy, she said eventhough I purchased BE, since I am an emerald I can check in 1 luggage for free. Any experiences here?
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Old Apr 4, 19, 5:02 am
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Originally Posted by gateH15 View Post

+1.
Imagine if you have to buy a last minute ticket or being rebooked due to misconnect and you end up in the BE cabin all the way in the back because all main cabin seats are sold out ?
It would be handled in the same manner as someone that bought a ticket in F/J/PE and had a misconnect. If only Y-/BE was available on the next flight they'd either have to accept the downgrade (and any refund in fare difference) or look for alternatives to keep their same class of travel.
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Old Apr 4, 19, 10:52 am
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The only way to prevent that is to hold BE seat assignments to T-60. Even then, that won't help out all misconnects. But, at some point GA's have to turn to dealing with boarding.
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Old Apr 4, 19, 12:41 pm
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I think of BE seats more like the rental car companies that offer a price for a car that will be X class or higher (assigned at pickup), or cruise lines offering a stateroom of a guaranteed class or higher, but assigned at sailing. I can either (a) pay for an assigned seat at T-48, or (b) gamble on an aisle MCE seat or a middle seat in the last row of the plane. Obviously, if the airline is giving away MCE seats for free to flyers on B tickets, then they've abandoned all hope of selling them.
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Old Apr 6, 19, 7:11 am
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BE must be a big deal in some markets. I had a MIA-IAH hop last week as part of a multi city business trip and was on the last MIA-IAH flight of the day (which had been cancelled every single day the prior week owing to MAX issues). My concern grew over this flight as it seemed that based on seat assignments, the flight might be 30% full. However, as soon as the 24 hour checkin marker hit and proceeded towards about T-12 hours, every single non-preferred and non MCE seat was gobbled up. Then as the hours clicked down, every single remaining seat disappeared until the only ones were left were the exits, row 7/8 and a couple stray MCE seats.
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Old Apr 7, 19, 2:46 pm
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Hi

Hi,
i called IB and asked them about it , another agent George told me that, i will get one free baggage based on my emerald status because , it is a BA plane , but it is am IB ticket... so it will follow the IB rule not BA. IB RULE if you purchased an ib flight number with BA plane , your ticket will be under IB not BA... i hope 2 ib agents are right..

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Originally Posted by SK View Post
BA does not check any luggage for free with basic economy tickets (not even its own emerald members), despite what the Iberia agent told you.

The relevant table with all the permutations has been posted before:

www.flyertalk.com/forum/30655587-post495.html
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Old Apr 7, 19, 3:33 pm
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They are wrong. If the flight is either marketed or operated by BA there is no free checked baggage for elites on BE.
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Old Apr 7, 19, 5:22 pm
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Getting confused now..

I called iberia again, talked to Tony, i told him about what you guys told me... he said .. it is an iberia ticket even it is a BA plane, it will follow IB baggage rules.
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 he said he is 100% i could. Well.. i will be flying in 6 hrs.. checking in 4 hrs from now...

Originally Posted by Yllanes View Post
They are wrong. If the flight is either marketed or operated by BA there is no free checked baggage for elites on BE.
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Old Apr 7, 19, 9:57 pm
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Guys...🙄

Upon check in , the agent does not know what i am talking about. She asked her supervisor.. and alas... supervisor confirmed with Iberia ticket operated by Ba on basic economy.. you can bring 1 luggage. For emerald and sapphire. Again, only if your ticket is issued by iberia.. hope this helps guys
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Old Apr 7, 19, 10:01 pm
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Originally Posted by JNLentertainment View Post
Upon check in , the agent does not know what i am talking about. She asked her supervisor.. and alas... supervisor confirmed with Iberia ticket operated by Ba on basic economy.. you can bring 1 luggage. For emerald and sapphire. Again, only if your ticket is issued by iberia.. hope this helps guys
Thank you for the update. Good thing that you got access to a supervisor because it sounds like you would have been out of luck and dealing with the hassle of getting a refund after the flight otherwise.
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Old Apr 8, 19, 7:32 pm
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Couple of questions.

1) Do golds get a free checked bag on B fares? Website says yes, but agent said no.
2) If so, for how many companions?
3) Since there are 7 of us traveling, should I book thru group reservations? I seem to recall a blurb about no benefits on group reservations.

Since the route we're flying will be A321s and RJs, and we have kids traveling with the group, we can't get MCE seats as they are all exit row, so might as well save $60 each and book the BE fare. However, if I? can't get a free checked bag for each person on the BE fare, then it makes more sense to book regular economy for the same price and earn full EQMs.
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