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Old Jan 18, 2017, 9:12 pm
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What is Basic Economy?
Basic Economy is (generally) the lowest, "no-frills" Main Cabin (Economy) fare on American Airlines and their Atlantic Joint Business partners (British Airways, Iberia, and Finnair). Basic Economy fares on American Airlines book into the As the lowest fare, it has some special restrictions that other Main Cabin fares do not.

What are the Restrictions?
You can read American Airlines' web page summarizing Basic Economy for the exact details, but there are a few points that likely matter most to FlyerTalkers:
  1. Your first checked bag will cost money on a Basic Economy fare*.
  2. Your seat will be automatically assigned when you check in and unchangeable, unless you pay to change your seat. You may pay to reserve a seat any time after booking*.
  3. No elite upgrades to first class, or complimentary access to preferred seats (green on the seat map) or Main Cabin Extra (orange on the seat map)*.
  4. You will board last, in Group 9 for domestic flights or Group 8 for international flights*. On a full flight, this likely means you will have to gate check your carry-on bag (which is free)*.
  5. You will earn 50% EQMs per mile flown and 0.5 EQS per segment. You will earn full RDMs (based on fare flown) and EQDs.
  6. Changes are not permitted (worldwide from 01APR21).
  7. In IRROPS, Basic Economy customers will not be re-accommodated on other airlines, and will have to wait for the next American Airlines flight (or BA/IB/AY for INTL).

* exceptions apply for American Airlines elite-level frequent flyers as noted below.

Despite these restrictions, Basic Economy can be a good value in certain circumstances.

Are the seats or service any different?
Once you are on the airplane, the experience (seats / drinks / snacks) will be identical to regular Main Cabin.

How can I tell if I have a Basic Economy fare?
Your reservation on aa.com may say it. Basic Economy fares on American Airlines flights book into the B booking class, though Basic Economy fares on BA/IB/AY and their AA* codeshares can book into almost any revenue booking class.

I have an AA credit card, what does that get me?
Yes, if you have an American Airlines credit card that comes with preferred boarding or a free checked bag on domestic itineraries, you will receive those benefits. Additionally, if you have a Citi Executive card, you may use the Admirals Club as normal.

I have AA elite status, what does that get me?
You WILL get the following elite benefits when you buy a Basic Economy fare (note this is not an exhaustive list, basically everything not expressly forbidden is allowed):
  1. 1/2/3 checked bag fees waives, depending on status.
  2. Priority check-in / security / boarding.
  3. Lounge access, if applicable.
You WILL NOT receive the following elite benefits on a Basic Economy fare:
  1. No same-day standby or same-day confirmed flight changes, paid or otherwise.
Will I be seated with my child?
As it does today, American’s reservations system will check for families traveling with children 13 and under a few days before the flight, and attempt to seat each child with an adult. This is the same process we follow for Main Cabin customers.
Families with children over 13 will have to pay for seat assignments to be seated with their children.

I am flying on a British Airways, Iberia, or Finnair airplane, is anything different?
If you do not have AA or oneworld elite status, the restrictions are quite similar and you should expect to pay for everything: paid checked bags, paid seat selection, and no changes / cancellations. Depending on available fare classes, you may have an opportunity to earn additional redeemable miles or elite qualifying dollars by booking a BA / IB / AY flight number instead of an AA flight number; check your options and the partner earning charts on AA for each respective airline (British Airways, Iberia, Finnair).

If you have status, buckle up, because it gets technical, though there are some opportunities to cherry pick benefits and save money. This has been already summarized in the counterpart to this thread on the British Airways forum.​​, so we will not reproduce it here. Note the following correspondences between status levels:
  • AA Gold - BA Bronze - oneworld Ruby
  • AA Platinum or Platinum Pro - BA Silver - oneworld Sapphire
  • AA Executive Platinum or Concierge Key - BA Gold - oneworld Emerald
Generally, there seem to be the following opportunities for arbitrage:
  • If you are a Platinum, Platinum Pro, or Executive Platinum elite, you can generally book Iberia or Finnair-operated Basic Economy flights and not notice any baggage or seating restrictions, as long as they were not marketed by BA.
  • If you do not care about your seat assignment, you can book AA-operated flights with an IB or AY flight number and still receive a checked bag if you are Platinum or higher. You may earn more or fewer RDMs, EQMs, and EQDs.
  • If you do not need to check a bag, you can book BA-operated flights with any flight number, and can choose your seat (7 days in advance for Gold, at booking for Platinum and higher, Exit Rows for EXP).
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Old Feb 23, 2017, 11:11 am
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Originally Posted by craz
Just went to make ares for an early March trip (leisure) turns out even as a Plat no seat assignment till day of = probably some middle seat in the reg Y section. Is AA Nuts! no way Im doing that so I booked the trip elsewhere and took an aisle seat and will board with my carry-on as well, just it wont be on AAand I land now 10 mins later then the AA will
You would've been able to board with your carry-on on AA as well, since you're a plat.

I don't really see what your complaining about. AA isn't forcing you to buy the Basic fare, you can just as easily buy the regular fare.
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Old Feb 23, 2017, 11:41 am
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Originally Posted by craz
Just went to make ares for an early March trip (leisure) turns out even as a Plat no seat assignment till day of = probably some middle seat in the reg Y section. Is AA Nuts! no way Im doing that so I booked the trip elsewhere and took an aisle seat and will board with my carry-on as well, just it wont be on AAand I land now 10 mins later then the AA will
It is no different for the equivalent elite on UA/DL. No seats assigned until check-in and that generally means a middle seat in steerage.

People with any flexibility will go to great lengths to avoid those seats so if there is another option, people book later/earlier and those are the seats that go out empty. Now, those seats go out occupied.

Whether it's worth the savings is a personal issue.

As to compliance overlay software such as Concur, that is easily programmed. If your employer wants to permit paid F, it can do so. If it wants to force you into BE, it can do that as well.
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Old Feb 23, 2017, 11:59 am
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Originally Posted by Djokison
You would've been able to board with your carry-on on AA as well, since you're a plat.

I don't really see what your complaining about. AA isn't forcing you to buy the Basic fare, you can just as easily buy the regular fare.
What do you mean with buy a regular fare? because I don't see cheaper price for Basic Economy, what I see now is a more expensive fare but with less benefits. MIA-TPA was like $80 a couple of days ago and now is $120 for B.E. and if you want "O/Q" fare you need to add another $40 ($20 extra for each leg), samething for PHL.

With Basic Economy those routes are not $20 cheaper each leg, and that's the main concern for many of us.
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Old Feb 23, 2017, 5:00 pm
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Originally Posted by fedechat
What do you mean with buy a regular fare? because I don't see cheaper price for Basic Economy, what I see now is a more expensive fare but with less benefits. MIA-TPA was like $80 a couple of days ago and now is $120 for B.E. and if you want "O/Q" fare you need to add another $40 ($20 extra for each leg), samething for PHL.

With Basic Economy those routes are not $20 cheaper each leg, and that's the main concern for many of us.
That is an ongoing fallacy.

The question is not whether the fares are cheaper than they were a few days ago, it is whether the BE fares are the cheapest fares available today for the flight you want today (or whenever it is you want to fly).

If people are paying $X for BE on this route, what possible argument is there to AA that it ought to toss in the benefits of Y, such as they are, in order to get your business?
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Old Feb 23, 2017, 5:14 pm
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Originally Posted by fedechat
What do you mean with buy a regular fare? because I don't see cheaper price for Basic Economy, what I see now is a more expensive fare but with less benefits. MIA-TPA was like $80 a couple of days ago and now is $120 for B.E. and if you want "O/Q" fare you need to add another $40 ($20 extra for each leg), samething for PHL.

With Basic Economy those routes are not $20 cheaper each leg, and that's the main concern for many of us.
The cheapest BE fares on that route are $80 roundtrip, so that's didn't change. A reduction of benefits, but that's no different then your peanut butter /cereal whatever costing the same, but having less content. Either you charge more, or you give less. If AA wants to compete with the rest, they'll have to keep the fares low.
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Old Feb 24, 2017, 1:44 am
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Originally Posted by Djokison
You would've been able to board with your carry-on on AA as well, since you're a plat.

I don't really see what your complaining about. AA isn't forcing you to buy the Basic fare, you can just as easily buy the regular fare.
The so called reg fare was what they now call the Economy fare. So basically they are charging Plats to select a seat, no thank you, not gonna fall for that scam, I will simply give my $$ to those that arent pulling that nonsense

Got a large stash of miles that I will go thru AA wnt be seeing another dime outof me unless they are by far the cheapest
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Old Feb 24, 2017, 1:56 am
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The so called reg fare was what they now call the Economy fare. So basically they are charging Plats to select a seat, no thank you, not gonna fall for that scam, I will simply give my $$ to those that arent pulling that nonsense

Got a large stash of miles that I will go thru AA wnt be seeing another dime outof me unless they are by far the cheapest
The other airlines that did the exact same thing?
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Old Feb 24, 2017, 4:58 am
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Even worse than I thought - didn't realize that BE would be a subset of most booking classes and therefore an option even when lower booking classes sell out. This makes avoiding BE impossible under my current corporate booking site. Nice job AA, will be booking away unless resolved.
This seems a little dramatic. It's only in 10 markets right now. Are you saying your business travel is exclusively between those points? That would be an incredible stroke of luck. Add a connection and they all the basic fares just disappear.
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Old Feb 26, 2017, 3:30 pm
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Originally Posted by craz
The so called reg fare was what they now call the Economy fare. So basically they are charging Plats to select a seat, no thank you, not gonna fall for that scam, I will simply give my $$ to those that arent pulling that nonsense
So am I understanding that if you buy BE, then Plats can't choose MCE?
Edit: Found the text on this site
Basic Economy fare tickets aren't eligible for complimentary/discounted access to Main Cabin Extra seats.

Originally Posted by Djokison
The other airlines that did the exact same thing?
Delta still allows seat selection at T-24 (if there are any, but at least the hope remains). Delta also allows a roller-bag in their basic fare, and being in the last boarding group you would expect it to get gate-checked but it saves you $25 each direction.

Originally Posted by Long Train Runnin
This seems a little dramatic. It's only in 10 markets right now. Are you saying your business travel is exclusively between those points? That would be an incredible stroke of luck. Add a connection and they all the basic fares just disappear.
He's voting with his wallet. What's 10 markets now will soon be nationwide, so why continue to earn reduced EQM now? The sooner he swaps to another carrier the sooner he can start a status challenge/match. And "add a connection" isn't always an option in corporate booking systems, to reduce mileage churn a lot of corporate systems flag that sort of thing.
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Old Feb 26, 2017, 3:35 pm
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What's 10 markets now will soon be nationwide, ...
Interesting. Can you provide a link to the official rollout plan?
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Old Feb 26, 2017, 3:39 pm
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Originally Posted by rjw242
Interesting. Can you provide a link to the official rollout plan?
Per NBC News:
The Fort Worth, TX-based carrier said it will expand the basic economy fares to other markets later this year but chose these launch routes because they provide "a variety of competitive situations."
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/trav...-fares-n723751
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Old Feb 26, 2017, 4:31 pm
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Originally Posted by rjw242
Interesting. Can you provide a link to the official rollout plan?
No link needed, I think it's fairly obvious.
Whether every city pair has this will depend on the competitive situation most likely, but anyone who doesn't think these fares will be on many more than 10 routes is fooling themselves.
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Old Feb 26, 2017, 5:06 pm
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Originally Posted by daslax
Even worse than I thought - didn't realize that BE would be a subset of most booking classes and therefore an option even when lower booking classes sell out. This makes avoiding BE impossible under my current corporate booking site. Nice job AA, will be booking away unless resolved.
Two general comments to this:

1) Realize that AA does not want business travelers to be buying these fares. If they have any competency at all, they will be tweaking the fare rules to minimize the likelihood that typical business travelers (to the extent there is such thing) will be caught up by them. That's part of the reason for the initial limited roll out. These fares are for the once a year leisure traveler type - AA wants the business travel segment buying the higher fares.

2) This:

Originally Posted by Often1
DL business travelers found that after a few hiccups, most employers modified their travel policy to exclude these fares. Some decided that the savings are worth it. If your company has an AA/UA contract, perhaps you ought to raise this with your travel hierarchy sooner rather than later. I would focus on the economic case for the company, not your FF status or seat assignment preferences.
If your corporate travel system is forcing you into these fares, you need to be working with your traveler managers to update policies. Focus on the costs to the company - including poor IROPs handling - that come with BE fares. Don't mention the negative impact to your frequent flyer account. Remember these fares are new - it will take corporate policy some time to catch up in lot of places.

The sky is not falling (at least not here). These are a blip. The fares aren't going away, but for the business traveler the negative impact should be pretty limited once things settle out.
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Old Feb 26, 2017, 5:19 pm
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
No link needed, I think it's fairly obvious.
Whether every city pair has this will depend on the competitive situation most likely, but anyone who doesn't think these fares will be on many more than 10 routes is fooling themselves.
There's a vast difference between "more than 10" and "nationwide." Since someone was authoritatively recommending that we make major changes to our spending and travel habits in anticipation of a nationwide rollout, I was wondering whether he had any concrete information.
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Old Feb 26, 2017, 5:21 pm
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Originally Posted by rjw242
There's a vast difference between "more than 10" and "nationwide." Since someone was authoritatively recommending that we make major changes to our spending and travel habits in anticipation of a nationwide rollout, I was wondering whether he had any concrete information.
I agree, had the exact same thought.
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