It seems like AA are working towards making EXP a level with higher spend pax in it. It's been a good ride where you can get EXP for $3-5k in spend.
That said, this is a system, and all systems can be gamed. Seems like longhaul partner PE or discount J is the new way to earn discount EQD. Seems like if you can snag a few trips like this at say $2000 each, you will be able to make EXP for $4-5k. You'll see :-) For most of my team this won't make much difference. $12k is not so much business travel, provided you focus your loyalty on one airline. |
Your value to AA
Kind of off topic but maybe in the right thread, since it is about revenue contribution...
What is the measurement called that identifies how "valuable" you are to AA? I remember reading about it long ago (maybe on the US forum). And, is there any way to see what this value is for yourself? |
Originally Posted by apeortdz
(Post 27378825)
Kind of off topic but maybe in the right thread, since it is about revenue contribution...
What is the measurement called that identifies how "valuable" you are to AA? I remember reading about it long ago (maybe on the US forum). And, is there any way to see what this value is for yourself? No way to see any of this by the member. |
I'm currently sitting at 160k EQM YTD, with 10k of that from the Citi Executive card, which I've spent $400k on in the past five years.
I've probably spent close to $20k this year on fares from AA, including a lot of P/A fares domestically. Last year I barely squeaked by as EXP with 101k EQM, including a Jakarta MR. AA forgets that when my travel slows down/picks up I remember the overall experience not just the year I spent 'enough' to be treated well. The experience has gotten so poor this year, it is quite sad. |
Originally Posted by Phasers
(Post 27379337)
AA forgets that when my travel slows down/picks up I remember the overall experience not just the year I spent 'enough' to be treated well. The experience has gotten so poor this year, it is quite sad.
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This will probably be the last year I requalify for EP. The upgrade situation has become very bad, and going to spend-based upgrade priority will make it worse in January. In fact as someone who has no choice but to have lowest-fare economy through work, I have no chance of an upgrade after January 1st when competing with high-dollar international J spenders.
Given that, I have moved all of my leisure travel from AA to the cheapest first class on any airline, be it United, Delta, or Virgin. While I am now spending more to buy First Class, rather than upgrade, that money isn't going to AA all the time like it used to. On balance I'd say they are going to lose a a bit of net revenue by chasing away elites who used to give them their non-work discretionary spending. |
Here's one for you. In 2012 I personally spent $42,000 on AA/OW and did not make EXP. That's right folks paid International F and only had like 85,000 EQP
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right now I am at 233K , no idea how much I have spent, my wife dares to show me our CC charges, but I am too scared to look, since I work for myself.
not really sure about EXP next year, 12K might be a bit to much for me, since I have and always look for the cheapest fare I can find. I in the past have qualified on EXP on less than $5000 spend, I already know that I am not the kind of EXP is looking for anymore. |
Just made Exec Plat for the 5th year running (including US CP). Or maybe it's the 4th. One thing I am sure of: It will be the last.
It's not the little things, like one month less guaranteed (expires 31 Jan instead of 28 Feb). It's not the decline from 8 SWUs to 4SWUs; heck, as a US CP, at best I was getting 4 SWUs. Anyhow, 4 or 8, it doesn't matter a heck of a lot if -- as seems to be the case nowadays -- there is no way to lock in any SWU use in advance. Does this matter to anyone else? I have mostly used SWUs to do fun trips with spouse. In these situations, a lot of the fun is knowing in advance that we'll be jetting off to Europe in a lie-flat sear. Heck, the longer we know in advance, the more it is worth to us! Or to put it differently, it's rare that I would want to upgrade last minute, on my dime (including SWU use). I just flew TATL in coach after doing half-a-dozen or so RTs in J, and it just wasn't that bad. (I mean, it was not great, but it's like the dentist -- you do it and at some point you forget about it.) Like I say, a lot of the value in these SWUs is the prospect, and that seems to be gone. To the point where, even though my wife is only about 10K miles short of hitting Exec Plat herself, we figure the primary benefit -- the 4 addition SWUs -- is unlikely to be worth it. I'm not all in a huff here -- maybe some plan-ahead SWUs will emerge and we'll re-think qualifying her. But until then .... No, all that is not the big stuff. The big stuff is the 1-2 punch:
So the business model for AA seems to be: You want to be an elite? Plan your flying to pay higher places. You want to use your elite status? Pay more higher prices. This seems also to be a good model for Amtrak, DL F fares, and AARP J discounts to Europe ... which I think is where I will be as my Exec Plat status wears off in the 15 months ahead. My wind-down plan includes:
As ever, I write all of this not to complain that life is unfair, or that AA owes me something... rather, to get some feedback from others of you in similar positions whether I am thinking about this the right way. Don't want to cut off my nose to spite my face! |
Originally Posted by Biggie Fries
(Post 27395786)
Just made Exec Plat for the 5th year running (including US CP). Or maybe it's the 4th. One thing I am sure of: It will be the last.
It's not the little things, like one month less guaranteed (expires 31 Jan instead of 28 Feb). It's not the decline from 8 SWUs to 4SWUs; heck, as a US CP, at best I was getting 4 SWUs. Anyhow, 4 or 8, it doesn't matter a heck of a lot if -- as seems to be the case nowadays -- there is no way to lock in any SWU use in advance. Does this matter to anyone else? I have mostly used SWUs to do fun trips with spouse. In these situations, a lot of the fun is knowing in advance that we'll be jetting off to Europe in a lie-flat sear. Heck, the longer we know in advance, the more it is worth to us! Or to put it differently, it's rare that I would want to upgrade last minute, on my dime (including SWU use). I just flew TATL in coach after doing half-a-dozen or so RTs in J, and it just wasn't that bad. (I mean, it was not great, but it's like the dentist -- you do it and at some point you forget about it.) Like I say, a lot of the value in these SWUs is the prospect, and that seems to be gone. To the point where, even though my wife is only about 10K miles short of hitting Exec Plat herself, we figure the primary benefit -- the 4 addition SWUs -- is unlikely to be worth it. I'm not all in a huff here -- maybe some plan-ahead SWUs will emerge and we'll re-think qualifying her. But until then .... No, all that is not the big stuff. The big stuff is the 1-2 punch:
So the business model for AA seems to be: You want to be an elite? Plan your flying to pay higher places. You want to use your elite status? Pay more higher prices. This seems also to be a good model for Amtrak, DL F fares, and AARP J discounts to Europe ... which I think is where I will be as my Exec Plat status wears off in the 15 months ahead. My wind-down plan includes:
As ever, I write all of this not to complain that life is unfair, or that AA owes me something... rather, to get some feedback from others of you in similar positions whether I am thinking about this the right way. Don't want to cut off my nose to spite my face! I primarily use(d) my SWUs to confirm upgrades in advance for myself and family when going somewhere. Well, that's gone... (Maybe I'll get an upgrade at the gate now, but only for me, not for my wife because she has no status and they won't process the upgrade unless we split it.) At least as EXP, I knew I would always have access to the best agent when I called. Well, that's gone too... Used to be as an EXP, you could have a decent chance at getting a seat opened up for award travel to complete your itinerary (like DFW-ORD if you had ORD-XXX-YYY already). Yep, you guess it, that's gone too... Well at least as an EXP, I can use my benefits when I travel with my family for a weekend trip in deep-discount economy. Well, thanks AA, not anymore. That's about to be gone... Well at least I can get some good value for my miles, maybe even book an around the world flight and a have of a lifetime. What's that you say, massive AAward devAAluation and no more around the world award tickets? Guess good value awards are gone now too... Ok fine, well AA agents will treat me well no matter who I am? Nope, the service is gone too... What does that leave me? Loyalty has to be a two way street. Doesn't seem that way anymore. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars extra over the years to fly AA because of my loyalty. That's over. PE on Lufthansa same price as regular Y on AA, and with a better schedule? Better believe I'm flying Lufthansa. Two years ago, I'd have called you crazy if you told me that. |
Are most here simply doing this for pleasure? Maximizing the EQMs per dollar by doing MRs like the PTY one? I fly for business and am at over $13k already with only CONUS travel in Y and I barely hit Platinum.
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Originally Posted by AAFlyer1024
(Post 27396243)
Are most here simply doing this for pleasure? Maximizing the EQMs per dollar by doing MRs like the PTY one? I fly for business and am at over $13k already with only CONUS travel in Y and I barely hit Platinum.
My work trips tend to be booked last minute, so I spend a lot on those. My personal trips tend to be booked well in advance, so are not very expensive. |
Originally Posted by AAFlyer1024
(Post 27396243)
Are most here simply doing this for pleasure? Maximizing the EQMs per dollar by doing MRs like the PTY one? I fly for business and am at over $13k already with only CONUS travel in Y and I barely hit Platinum.
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Originally Posted by AA100k
(Post 27396301)
My feelings exactly. I've had years when I've gone over $10k and never made PLT. I've made EXP in the past few years only because AA has offered discounted international J fares which I can afford and for which give me 2x EQM per mile flown. I'm probably one of the few who are helped by the program and price changes.
One thing I'm not happy about is the thought that the SWU may only get you from economy to premium economy. |
Originally Posted by Biggie Fries
(Post 27395786)
It's not the decline from 8 SWUs to 4SWUs; heck, as a US CP, at best I was getting 4 SWUs. Anyhow, 4 or 8, it doesn't matter a heck of a lot if -- as seems to be the case nowadays -- there is no way to lock in any SWU use in advance. Does this matter to anyone else? I have mostly used SWUs to do fun trips with spouse. In these situations, a lot of the fun is knowing in advance that we'll be jetting off to Europe in a lie-flat sear. Heck, the longer we know in advance, the more it is worth to us! Or to put it differently, it's rare that I would want to upgrade last minute, on my dime (including SWU use).
<snip> No, all that is not the big stuff. The big stuff is the 1-2 punch:
For me, add in that I'm losing ORD-LAX/PHX/SEA/SFO work trips due to organizational and client changes, and picking up more time in RDU which is a DL hublet, and it became clear that either BA Silver/DL Plat or less likely BA Gold/DL Gold was where I need to be. I'll still have the EQD requirement with DL, but they also generally have better priced YUP fares (in their G code) for when I travel with my girlfriend. And I'll still fly AA as EXP in 2017, pretty much any flight where I don't buy a YUP. But any YUP and any only-ER4 flight will be credited to BA. I've been through something similar before with AA - I was EXP 2000-2002 when Arpey decided not only to kill MRTC on my leisure routes, but also decided to that pretty much every route I was flying for work should go from MD80/F100 to ER4s. I didn't come back for about a decade. So for me, it's just business. |
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