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AA 757 "75L" with R/C - B/E Diamond Business seat (master thread)

AA 757 "75L" with R/C - B/E Diamond Business seat (master thread)

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Boeing 757-200 CIP with Rockwell Collins Aerospace Diamond Parallel J seat

The first AA Boeing 757-200 with 16 Rockwell Collins (B/E Aerospace) Diamond Parallel seat in business class entered service on September 1, 2016. These replaced the "NGBC" seats used in the "75L" transatlantic 757, and the B/E Aerospace / Rockwell Collins Diamond seat is the same used in the A321T three class transcon in business class.

The Diamond shell seat in the horizontally flat position is not quite long enough for tall people. Those over six feet /183 cm will find they need to sleep in a drawn up legs. The window side seat foot well is narrower than the aisle seat foot well, and the window side will not accommodate two large (13 or European 46) size feet. Window seat passengers will have to step over the aisle seat passenger if that person is sleeping reclined flat.

See the American Fleet Site (not AA affiliated) here for state of fleet conversion.

The new configuration is 16 Business, 160 combined (108) Main Cabin and (52) Main Cabin Extra seats. There are 24 remaining (all Legacy American Airlines) 757-200s converted to the “75L” “international” version.

(There are 10 Legacy US Airways “East” 757-200s converted to 12F/176Y (including MCE) Hawaii service aircraft, based in PHX.) All other AA 757-200s have been withdrawn from AA service.

There is no in seat AVOD or WiFi served IFE installed on these planes (tablets are distributed to Business passengers along with B&O noise-reducing headsets on International flights).

In flight Panasonic satellite-based WiFi is offered for a fee.

The seat in Y have been reupholstered with "pleather", a plastic-based simulated leather.

J has two 5 1.1 amp VDC USB ports and 110 VAC universal power ports at each seat. MCE has power.

See post #1 or #123 for photographs (courtesy of CMK10 and Australian Business Traveller)

Historical:

Link to CONFIRMED: American’s First Boeing 757 International Lie Flat Business Seat Being Installed Now, by Gary Leff on August 19, 2016. Photos.

See here for Interior Photos

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Old Jun 1, 07, 4:24 pm
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AA 757 "75L" with R/C - B/E Diamond Business seat (master thread)

American Airlines Boeing 757-200 “75L” Business Class seats. (CMK10)

American Airlines Boeing 757-200 “75L” Business Class tablet holder and power outlet. (CMK10)

American Airlines A321T Business Class Diamond seat made into bed, illustrative ourposes only. (Australian Business Traveller)

American Airlines Boeing 757-200 “75L” Main Cabin. (CMK10)

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Old Aug 17, 16, 11:47 pm
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AA 757 "75L" with B/E Diamond Business seat (as of 9/16) (master thd)

The wonderful American fleet site is showing the first aircraft with the B/E seats is N183AN, that's according to flight aware has been in TUL since the 5th.
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Old Aug 18, 16, 2:02 am
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Originally Posted by sagechan View Post
The wonderful American fleet site is showing the first aircraft with the B/E seats is N183AN, that's according to flight aware has been in TUL since the 5th.
All fingers and toes crossed... would love to see something decent on the 757 sooner rather than later.
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The Thompson Vantage solution seems so elegant. Too bad they seem to be going B/E.
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I think getting 16 Vantage seats between 1L and 2L on a 757 would result in a very tight squeeze for the seats. From what I understand, the B/E seats offer a more comfortable layout with 16.
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Originally Posted by Microwave View Post
I think getting 16 Vantage seats between 1L and 2L on a 757 would result in a very tight squeeze for the seats. From what I understand, the B/E seats offer a more comfortable layout with 16.
I don't really see how. The Vantage seats fit a similar profile, but allow for the single "throne" seats.
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Old Aug 18, 16, 7:56 am
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Originally Posted by N1120A View Post
I don't really see how. The Vantage seats fit a similar profile, but allow for the single "throne" seats.
The "throne" seats have a gap between the row behind and the row in front, to allow entry into the throne. This increases the distance between the non-throne rows by the width of the entry gap to the throne seats. Vantage also has larger work surfaces in the throne seats, and that space has to come from somewhere. The B/E seats have no gap, and less work surface area, so square-footage wise 16 of those can be crammed into that space easier than 16 Vantage seats, and will be wider than the Vantage seats would be.

For some real world examples. On the "domestic" LUS 757, there are 4 rows of F with a nominal 38" pitch, 3 rows of economy with a nominal 32" pitch, plus a lav behind the seats (with a row of seats opposite the lav) and a galley occupying the front starboard area where part of row 1 would be. In that same space, United have 4 rows of B/E seats, with the same lav. Now looking at the LUS A321, there are 4 rows of F with a nominal 38" pitch, 4 rows of economy with a nominal 32" pitch, and closets at the front of the cabin. This space between 1L and 2L on the A321 is larger than the same space on the 757 (both in width and in length), and in that same space B6's Mint-equipped A321 has 16 Vantage seats, a lav and an onboard "marketplace". To squeeze those same seats onto the 757, either the seats or the aisle would need to be narrower, and at a minimum the aft lav and closets would have to go, and even in that configuration it would be a tighter squeeze than B6 Mint. Thompson do say that Vantage can fit 16 in the 757, but it would necessarily be tight, whereas 16 B/E seats don't feel tight on the 757 and still leave room for the aft lav.
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Also keep in mind certification issues since AA is using the same seat as the A321T. Introducing a whole new seat in the Thompson Vantage would just add more to inconsistency. If you look at the DL forum, the B/E Diamond seats on the 757 get pretty good reviews. These planes aren't flying anything longer than eight hours if that.
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Originally Posted by Longboater View Post
Also keep in mind certification issues since AA is using the same seat as the A321T. Introducing a whole new seat in the Thompson Vantage would just add more to inconsistency. If you look at the DL forum, the B/E Diamond seats on the 757 get pretty good reviews. These planes aren't flying anything longer than eight hours if that.
Agree that B/E seats work very well on the 757, though AA also fly the Vantage seats on the 763s, though the exact seats are different as Vantage is just a model of seat and the exact seats delivered are specific to each aircraft type.
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Originally Posted by Microwave View Post
Agree that B/E seats work very well on the 757, though AA also fly the Vantage seats on the 763s, though the exact seats are different as Vantage is just a model of seat and the exact seats delivered are specific to each aircraft type.
I should have specified the Vantage seat designed for the 767 and the 757 is slightly different, with the 757 Vantage seat being about an inch wider. The B/E Diamond seat for narrowbodies was designed for both the 757 and A321 due to commonality.
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Originally Posted by Longboater View Post
Also keep in mind certification issues since AA is using the same seat as the A321T. Introducing a whole new seat in the Thompson Vantage would just add more to inconsistency. If you look at the DL forum, the B/E Diamond seats on the 757 get pretty good reviews. These planes aren't flying anything longer than eight hours if that.
I'm sorry but i'm confused - what seat exactly is being installed? The same seat as trancon business class?
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Originally Posted by morrisunc View Post
I'm sorry but i'm confused - what seat exactly is being installed? The same seat as trancon business class?
Yes, that's the seat being discussed here-- B/E "Diamond" seat (not to be confused with B/E "Super Diamond" seat going info widebodies.)
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As reported, aircraft 5ET is still in TUL and its last flight was an hour flight around the area on the 5th. So, have to assume that that's what's happening to it (being converted as the first new 75L.)
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As reported, aircraft 5ET is still in TUL and its last flight was an hour flight around the area on the 5th. So, have to assume that that's what's happening to it (being converted as the first new 75L.)
75L Confirmed

I guess it'll be finished sometime in the fall. Interesting the plane was previously a domestic 757.
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75L Confirmed

I guess it'll be finished sometime in the fall. Interesting the plane was previously a domestic 757.
For that plane in particular, I can't off-hand think of any reason it would take till the fall to complete it. Here's it being operated on:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BJTNdU0DXQs/
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