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Hawaii: probability of 763 equipment swap DFW-HNL on daily non-stop?

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AA Boeing 767-323ER (31 in Fleet)

There are urgently two variants of Boeing 767-323ER used on DFW - Hawai'i flights:

Boeing 767-300ER "model 1": 30 J/F angled flat "NGBC" seats in five rows laid out 2 x 2 x 2 across; 28 Main Cabin Extra / MCE stats in 2 x 3 x 2 (other than row 17, 2 x 2 used for crew rest on long haul sectors; 160 Main Cabin / Economy seats with 31" seat pitch. Link to SeatGuru seat chart for this aircraft. (7 as of Aug 2027.)

Boeing 767-300ER "model 2": 28 fully flat Thompson Vantage seats in seven rows laid out 1 - 2 - 1 with all aisle access; 21 Main Cabin Extra / MCE stats in 2 x 3 x 2 (other than row 17, 2 x 2 used for crew rest on long haul sectors; 160 Main Cabin / Economy seats with 31" seat pitch. Link to SeatGuru seat chart for this aircraft. (24 as of August 2017.)

It has been rumored the seven "NGBC" aircraft will be retired relatively soon.

The "CIP" variant with new J/F seats is prioritized for transatlantic routes due to the Joint Business Agreement with AA, AY, BA, IB. CIP aircraft scheduled for Hawai'i service may have old "NGBC" types substituted for various reasons up until time of departure.

As of 04 Jun 2017, 24 aircraft (77% of the of entire active fleet of 31) have been converted. These include N342AN, N343AN*, N344AN*, N346AN*, N347AN*, N348AN*, N349AN, N350AN*, N379AA, N381AN, N384AA, N385AM, N388AA, N389AA, N390AA, N391AA, N392AN, N393AN, N394AN, N395AN, N396AN, N397AN, N398AN, and N399AN*.

The following 7 aircraft (23% of the of entire active fleet of 31) have NOT been converted: N369AA, N373AA, N376AN, N377AN, N380AN, N383AN, N387AM.

The following aircraft have been retired (as of 30 Mar 2017): N345AN, N351AA, N352AA, N353AA, N354AA, N355AA, N357AA, N358AA, N39356, N359AA, N360AA, N361AA, N362AA, N363AA, N39364, N39365, N366AA, N39367, N368AA, N370AA, N371AA, N372AA, N374AA, N7375A, N378AN, N382AN, N386AA.

Resource links:

Link to FT thread "LAA 763 / 767 CIP New (2014) Business Seat Map, Best Seat / Seats (consolidated)"

Link to FT thread "Renovated LAA 767-300 / 763 "CIP" with New Business Class Apr 2014 (Discussion)"

Link to FT thread "Boeing 767-300ER / 763 “Next Generation Business Class” / NGBC seating (consolidated)"

Link to New American Fleet Tracker 767-300ER web page.

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Old Jul 30, 16, 8:37 am
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Post Probability of getting TG'd DFW-HNL on daily non-stop?

Greetings, folks.

Flying J class from DFW-HNL on American metal AA123 outbound (9/1/16) and returning in J on AA8 (9/5/16). Both flights are the retro-fit 763s V2 w/ daily non-stop service in both directions, and SeatGuru confirm my current ticketed flights are on the retrofit lie-flat J seats, which I intentionally booked since my wife has not experienced this J product. We picked 2J and 2G based on the positive SeatGuru reviews.

Wondering if anyone knows the odds of / or has experience / being TG'd on this route, and/or if anyone knows if AA operates any older 763 V1 configs on this route. Really hoping to not get stuck in the old angled lie-flat J product, although there is really nothing I can do at this point, I suppose. Thanks!

>>>Forgive me if this post is anywhere else, as I could not find one on this topic for this route.<<<

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Old Jul 30, 16, 8:44 am
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Unfortunately, it's almost a certainty that they'll swap in the old configuration.
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Old Jul 30, 16, 8:46 am
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TG'd? In the title as well as the body?

From the context you appear worried about an aircraft sub to an unreconfigured 767. Those subs will exist as long as there are unreconfigured 767s. The probability of one happening on a specific flight and date fully five weeks from now can't be estimated with any reliability.
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Old Jul 30, 16, 8:57 am
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme View Post
From the context you appear worried about an aircraft sub to an unreconfigured 767. Those subs will exist as long as there are unreconfigured 767s. The probability of one happening on a specific flight and date fully five weeks from now can't be estimated with any reliability.
Strictly speaking, no, but anecdotally it sounds like the Hawaii routes see way more than their fair share of swaps to the old config. I've yet to experience an updated cabin on those routes despite the seat map always showing 1-2-1 at booking (which is actually fine with me since I prefer the old seats, but many people don't, of course).

Edit - Just as a spot check, both of today's DFW-OGG flights, and 2 of the 3 DFW-HNL flights, have been switched to the old configuration.

OP - for more info I'd suggest these two threads:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...downgrade.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...solidated.html

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Old Jul 30, 16, 9:49 am
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TG'd? In the title as well as the body?
OP, when members with 1000 times more posts than you are confused by your abbreviations, you have a communication problem.
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What is TG'd?
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Old Jul 30, 16, 10:09 am
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Originally Posted by iadisgreat View Post
What is TG'd?
Maybe equipment swaps are a common occurrence on Thai Airways?
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Old Jul 30, 16, 10:12 am
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Originally Posted by grrizzli View Post
OP, when members with 1000 times more posts than you are confused by your abbreviations, you have a communication problem.
The Acronym Finder website suggests 95 possibilities:

http://www.acronymfinder.com/TG.html
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Yes, TG = notorious for equipment swaps

But I figure that someone based in the US would not know about this that much...
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Yes, TG = notorious for equipment swaps
Lucky actually uses TG as a verb in this context, so my money's on that.
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Trans gendered.
Gravitating slowly to OMNI.............................................
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Originally Posted by rjw242 View Post
Lucky actually uses TG as a verb in this context, so my money's on that.
Correct!

Sorry for any confusion guys. I've seen the term used in a lot of different blogs and forums, even on FT.
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Old Jul 30, 16, 1:56 pm
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Originally Posted by rjw242 View Post
Strictly speaking, no, but anecdotally it sounds like the Hawaii routes see way more than their fair share of swaps to the old config. I've yet to experience an updated cabin on those routes despite the seat map always showing 1-2-1 at booking (which is actually fine with me since I prefer the old seats, but many people don't, of course).

Edit - Just as a spot check, both of today's DFW-OGG flights, and 2 of the 3 DFW-HNL flights, have been switched to the old configuration.

OP - for more info I'd suggest these two threads:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...downgrade.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...solidated.html
Thanks so much for the links and guidance on this. Being the super nerd that I am, I wasn't sure if anyone knew some % probability of it happening, or if there was a website that would shed some nerdy light on the subject. Hoping for the newer J class seats in Sept!
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