Jun 10, 2017, 6:40 pm
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AA Boeing 767-323ER (31 in Fleet)
There are urgently two variants of Boeing 767-323ER used on DFW - Hawai'i flights:
Boeing 767-300ER "model 1": 30 J/F angled flat "NGBC" seats in five rows laid out 2 x 2 x 2 across; 28 Main Cabin Extra / MCE stats in 2 x 3 x 2 (other than row 17, 2 x 2 used for crew rest on long haul sectors; 160 Main Cabin / Economy seats with 31" seat pitch. Link to SeatGuru seat chart for this aircraft. (7 as of Aug 2027.)
Boeing 767-300ER "model 2": 28 fully flat Thompson Vantage seats in seven rows laid out 1 - 2 - 1 with all aisle access; 21 Main Cabin Extra / MCE stats in 2 x 3 x 2 (other than row 17, 2 x 2 used for crew rest on long haul sectors; 160 Main Cabin / Economy seats with 31" seat pitch. Link to SeatGuru seat chart for this aircraft. (24 as of August 2017.)
It has been rumored the seven "NGBC" aircraft will be retired relatively soon.
The "CIP" variant with new J/F seats is prioritized for transatlantic routes due to the Joint Business Agreement with AA, AY, BA, IB. CIP aircraft scheduled for Hawai'i service may have old "NGBC" types substituted for various reasons up until time of departure.
As of 04 Jun 2017, 24 aircraft (77% of the of entire active fleet of 31) have been converted. These include N342AN, N343AN*, N344AN*, N346AN*, N347AN*, N348AN*, N349AN, N350AN*, N379AA, N381AN, N384AA, N385AM, N388AA, N389AA, N390AA, N391AA, N392AN, N393AN, N394AN, N395AN, N396AN, N397AN, N398AN, and N399AN*.
The following 7 aircraft (23% of the of entire active fleet of 31) have NOT been converted: N369AA, N373AA, N376AN, N377AN, N380AN, N383AN, N387AM.
The following aircraft have been retired (as of 30 Mar 2017): N345AN, N351AA, N352AA, N353AA, N354AA, N355AA, N357AA, N358AA, N39356, N359AA, N360AA, N361AA, N362AA, N363AA, N39364, N39365, N366AA, N39367, N368AA, N370AA, N371AA, N372AA, N374AA, N7375A, N378AN, N382AN, N386AA.
Resource links:
Link to FT thread "LAA 763 / 767 CIP New (2014) Business Seat Map, Best Seat / Seats (consolidated)"
Link to FT thread "Renovated LAA 767-300 / 763 "CIP" with New Business Class Apr 2014 (Discussion)"
Link to FT thread "Boeing 767-300ER / 763 “Next Generation Business Class” / NGBC seating (consolidated)"
Link to New American Fleet Tracker 767-300ER web page.
Hawaii: probability of 763 equipment swap DFW-HNL on daily non-stop?
Jul 30, 2016, 12:59 pm
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Jul 30, 2016, 10:01 pm
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It also looks like the F/J cabin is sold out. I hope no one gets bumped out of F/J. That would not be a good way to start a trip.There is a lot more information in the 676-300 CIP thread. Most reports in there seem to indicate our odds of getting a newer (CIP) plane are not that good. AA has been showing the newer cabin and then changing to the old one most of the time despite what the seat map says. I imagine there will be a lot of people like us wanting different seats assignments with it going from 1-2-1 to the older 2-2-2. See you there!
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...ussion-99.html
Jul 31, 2016, 9:17 am
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Wow, my wife and I will also be on this same flight on 9/1/16 also in the F/J cabin in 3A and 4A (assuming we get the newer cabin) come say hi! It also looks like the F/J cabin is sold out. I hope no one gets bumped out of F/J. That would not be a good way to start a trip.
There is a lot more information in the 676-300 CIP thread. Most reports in there seem to indicate our odds of getting a newer (CIP) plane are not that good. AA has been showing the newer cabin and then changing to the old one most of the time despite what the seat map says. I imagine there will be a lot of people like us wanting different seats assignments with it going from 1-2-1 to the older 2-2-2. See you there!
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...ussion-99.html
It also looks like the F/J cabin is sold out. I hope no one gets bumped out of F/J. That would not be a good way to start a trip.There is a lot more information in the 676-300 CIP thread. Most reports in there seem to indicate our odds of getting a newer (CIP) plane are not that good. AA has been showing the newer cabin and then changing to the old one most of the time despite what the seat map says. I imagine there will be a lot of people like us wanting different seats assignments with it going from 1-2-1 to the older 2-2-2. See you there!
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...ussion-99.html
Jul 31, 2016, 9:17 am
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Jul 31, 2016, 2:25 pm
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Hawaii is basically the lowest priority for AA dispatch. Almost exclusively a leisure market, and a high proportion of AAward tickets. AA would much rather inconvenience pax going on vacation, especially on award tickets, than pax who paid thousands to go longhaul international. So, when a 763 destined to work a European or Deep SA flight goes MX necessitating an equipment swap, the very first birds they yank are the Hawaii ones.
Jul 31, 2016, 3:09 pm
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for info I did these 2 flights - DFW-HNL on 07/19 and HNL-DFW on 07/25 both booked on the "new" 763 - checked in on-line same day - showed new 763 but both ended on the old 763s.
Jul 31, 2016, 3:28 pm
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Jul 31, 2016, 4:31 pm
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The one blocked seat is a pilot rest seat, so sounds like your flight is sold out in F.
Jul 31, 2016, 4:40 pm
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Hawaii is basically the lowest priority for AA dispatch. Almost exclusively a leisure market, and a high proportion of AAward tickets. AA would much rather inconvenience pax going on vacation, especially on award tickets, than pax who paid thousands to go longhaul international. So, when a 763 destined to work a European or Deep SA flight goes MX necessitating an equipment swap, the very first birds they yank are the Hawaii ones.
Jul 31, 2016, 4:51 pm
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Jul 31, 2016, 5:02 pm
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Jul 31, 2016, 7:53 pm
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Jul 31, 2016, 7:55 pm
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and the nerd award goes to....
Okay, so thanks to my super nerdiness today, I found the following % of times, by day of the week, that a CIP 763 was used on this route through late April of this year. (Thanks to flightradar24 data): flight# AA123
MON 28.57%
TUES 30.77%
WED 0.00%
THUR 14.29%
FRI 28.57%
SAT 21.43%
SUN 21.43%
As several of you addressed, it appears to be completely random. I found NO conclusive data in the data set that would suggest a pattern. I spent about 10min putting this together, and didn't want to burn anymore of my Sunday up.
Interesting though that Wednesday flights were all completely on the old/non-CIP 763 config.
Might have to change my username to NerdyMatt.
MON 28.57%
TUES 30.77%
WED 0.00%
THUR 14.29%
FRI 28.57%
SAT 21.43%
SUN 21.43%
As several of you addressed, it appears to be completely random. I found NO conclusive data in the data set that would suggest a pattern. I spent about 10min putting this together, and didn't want to burn anymore of my Sunday up.
Interesting though that Wednesday flights were all completely on the old/non-CIP 763 config.
Might have to change my username to NerdyMatt.