Jun 10, 2017, 6:40 pm
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AA Boeing 767-323ER (31 in Fleet)
There are urgently two variants of Boeing 767-323ER used on DFW - Hawai'i flights:
Boeing 767-300ER "model 1": 30 J/F angled flat "NGBC" seats in five rows laid out 2 x 2 x 2 across; 28 Main Cabin Extra / MCE stats in 2 x 3 x 2 (other than row 17, 2 x 2 used for crew rest on long haul sectors; 160 Main Cabin / Economy seats with 31" seat pitch. Link to SeatGuru seat chart for this aircraft. (7 as of Aug 2027.)
Boeing 767-300ER "model 2": 28 fully flat Thompson Vantage seats in seven rows laid out 1 - 2 - 1 with all aisle access; 21 Main Cabin Extra / MCE stats in 2 x 3 x 2 (other than row 17, 2 x 2 used for crew rest on long haul sectors; 160 Main Cabin / Economy seats with 31" seat pitch. Link to SeatGuru seat chart for this aircraft. (24 as of August 2017.)
It has been rumored the seven "NGBC" aircraft will be retired relatively soon.
The "CIP" variant with new J/F seats is prioritized for transatlantic routes due to the Joint Business Agreement with AA, AY, BA, IB. CIP aircraft scheduled for Hawai'i service may have old "NGBC" types substituted for various reasons up until time of departure.
As of 04 Jun 2017, 24 aircraft (77% of the of entire active fleet of 31) have been converted. These include N342AN, N343AN*, N344AN*, N346AN*, N347AN*, N348AN*, N349AN, N350AN*, N379AA, N381AN, N384AA, N385AM, N388AA, N389AA, N390AA, N391AA, N392AN, N393AN, N394AN, N395AN, N396AN, N397AN, N398AN, and N399AN*.
The following 7 aircraft (23% of the of entire active fleet of 31) have NOT been converted: N369AA, N373AA, N376AN, N377AN, N380AN, N383AN, N387AM.
The following aircraft have been retired (as of 30 Mar 2017): N345AN, N351AA, N352AA, N353AA, N354AA, N355AA, N357AA, N358AA, N39356, N359AA, N360AA, N361AA, N362AA, N363AA, N39364, N39365, N366AA, N39367, N368AA, N370AA, N371AA, N372AA, N374AA, N7375A, N378AN, N382AN, N386AA.
Resource links:
Link to FT thread "LAA 763 / 767 CIP New (2014) Business Seat Map, Best Seat / Seats (consolidated)"
Link to FT thread "Renovated LAA 767-300 / 763 "CIP" with New Business Class Apr 2014 (Discussion)"
Link to FT thread "Boeing 767-300ER / 763 “Next Generation Business Class” / NGBC seating (consolidated)"
Link to New American Fleet Tracker 767-300ER web page.
Hawaii: probability of 763 equipment swap DFW-HNL on daily non-stop?
Jan 13, 2017, 9:52 am
#166
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For you FT experts who follow these stats, can you give us an update? How many of the oldest non-chip 767-300's are left? (Just 6-7 right?) And as announced last spring, does AA still plan to accelerate the 767 retirements in 2017? When do you predict the non-chip 767's will be gone from the fleet, hence elimenating this headache with the aircraft swaps on the DFW non-stops to Hawaii. Thanks!!
Jan 13, 2017, 2:11 pm
#168
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Jan 13, 2017, 3:07 pm
#169
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Jan 14, 2017, 9:52 am
#170
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I was actually offered an upgrade to business class, but I turned it down because they did a swap. I didn't think it was worth the money to purchase the necessary 500 mile certificates for 2 people on the older model.
Jan 14, 2017, 3:01 pm
#171
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For several years I have been flying from ORD to OGG via DFW just so I could fly on the older 763 in First Class to OGG. IMO it is worth the extra cost to avoid the 757 from LAX when flying AA.
I have never flown the new version and I might like it better, but IMO the older version is a lot better than many other AA options.
Perhaps I will be lucky enough to fly the new version in March, but i would always take a sticker upgrade if offered.
Jan 21, 2017, 8:01 am
#172
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I just came off of the final seasonal DFW-KOA flight on 08JAN - it was swapped to old 767 config about 20 hours ahead of departure time (seat map also swapped over then as well on my AA app). My family and I were not affected as we chose seats in row 2.
I am on OGG-DFW on night of 18JAN - will report on that as well for you! Currently still showing refurbbed 767 in the seat map on AA app. Stay tuned........
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I am on OGG-DFW on night of 18JAN - will report on that as well for you! Currently still showing refurbbed 767 in the seat map on AA app. Stay tuned........
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Mar 6, 2017, 1:43 pm
#173
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I've been trying to figure this out myself. Looking at Flightradar24 data
For HNL-DFW
From 1/26 to 3/6 on flight AA102, it was the new config 763 37/40 flights (92.5%). For the AA8 flight which had been using the 772 (and is now back to the 763), it used the upgraded 772 36/38 flights. The 37 J seat Zodiac was used 11 times and the 37 J seat B/E seat version was used 25 times.
For OGG-DFW
Over the same time frame, for the OGG-DFW flight, on the AA6, 6/40 flights used the CIP 763 and on the AA116 flight, 10/20 flights used the old 763 and 10 used the CIP 763.
I'd say if you're flying from Maui (OGG), you'll probably get the non CIP 763. If you're flying from HNL, you'll get the CIP 763. If you're on the 772, you're much more likely to get the CIP 772.
The 9 flights from the big island are all CIP 763 over the same time frame.
For HNL-DFW
From 1/26 to 3/6 on flight AA102, it was the new config 763 37/40 flights (92.5%). For the AA8 flight which had been using the 772 (and is now back to the 763), it used the upgraded 772 36/38 flights. The 37 J seat Zodiac was used 11 times and the 37 J seat B/E seat version was used 25 times.
For OGG-DFW
Over the same time frame, for the OGG-DFW flight, on the AA6, 6/40 flights used the CIP 763 and on the AA116 flight, 10/20 flights used the old 763 and 10 used the CIP 763.
I'd say if you're flying from Maui (OGG), you'll probably get the non CIP 763. If you're flying from HNL, you'll get the CIP 763. If you're on the 772, you're much more likely to get the CIP 772.
The 9 flights from the big island are all CIP 763 over the same time frame.
Last edited by uyman; Mar 6, 2017 at 2:11 pm
Mar 6, 2017, 6:57 pm
#175
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I've been trying to figure this out myself. Looking at Flightradar24 data
For HNL-DFW
From 1/26 to 3/6 on flight AA102, it was the new config 763 37/40 flights (92.5%). For the AA8 flight which had been using the 772 (and is now back to the 763), it used the upgraded 772 36/38 flights. The 37 J seat Zodiac was used 11 times and the 37 J seat B/E seat version was used 25 times.
For OGG-DFW
Over the same time frame, for the OGG-DFW flight, on the AA6, 6/40 flights used the CIP 763 and on the AA116 flight, 10/20 flights used the old 763 and 10 used the CIP 763.
I'd say if you're flying from Maui (OGG), you'll probably get the non CIP 763. If you're flying from HNL, you'll get the CIP 763. If you're on the 772, you're much more likely to get the CIP 772.
The 9 flights from the big island are all CIP 763 over the same time frame.
For HNL-DFW
From 1/26 to 3/6 on flight AA102, it was the new config 763 37/40 flights (92.5%). For the AA8 flight which had been using the 772 (and is now back to the 763), it used the upgraded 772 36/38 flights. The 37 J seat Zodiac was used 11 times and the 37 J seat B/E seat version was used 25 times.
For OGG-DFW
Over the same time frame, for the OGG-DFW flight, on the AA6, 6/40 flights used the CIP 763 and on the AA116 flight, 10/20 flights used the old 763 and 10 used the CIP 763.
I'd say if you're flying from Maui (OGG), you'll probably get the non CIP 763. If you're flying from HNL, you'll get the CIP 763. If you're on the 772, you're much more likely to get the CIP 772.
The 9 flights from the big island are all CIP 763 over the same time frame.
Last edited by jagoffee; Mar 6, 2017 at 7:02 pm
Mar 7, 2017, 12:14 am
#176
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Thank you for the information. I am flying DFW to OGG on Wednesday. I have received an Expert Flyer aircraft change notice, but it just stated, 767, and the seat map did not change. I shall see on Wednesday. I am not too concerned about the actual aircraft, but I am concerned about our seat assignments.
Mar 7, 2017, 5:30 am
#177
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And you should be concerned about your seat assignments. I and Mrs. controller1 were on AA7 last week. I specifically chose seats 5D/5G since those seats are on both configurations. Well, the aircraft was changed approximately ten hours before departure and 5G was reassigned to 6H. There were three couples among seats 5D/5G, 5H/5J and 6H/6J who were not seated together but had been seated together on the original configuration. It didn't take much to get us re-seated as couples but we had to do it ourselves after boarding. There was no assistance from AA.
I keep checking everyday to see if the seat chart changes. I figure there is a remote chance that I can move the seats if necessary. As you probably know there are not very many unassigned seats.
This is not good news, but thank you for sharing your experience.
Mar 8, 2017, 11:17 am
#178
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6 non-CIP left
For you FT experts who follow these stats, can you give us an update? How many of the oldest non-chip 767-300's are left? (Just 6-7 right?) And as announced last spring, does AA still plan to accelerate the 767 retirements in 2017? When do you predict the non-chip 767's will be gone from the fleet, hence elimenating this headache with the aircraft swaps on the DFW non-stops to Hawaii. Thanks!!
373: OGG
369: LIM
377: OGG
380: MVD
383: LHR, GYE
387: OGG
Maui seems to be the one consistent destination for these soon to be retired birds, you should avoid DFW-OGG flights if you don't like the old configuration.