ARCHIVE: AA announces Premium Economy / PE / PEY coming for domestic (May 2016)
Apologies if I've just missed this somewhere but something that Scott Kirby said, today, during a Q&A session at the Bank of America Merrill Lynch 2016 Transportation Conference got my attention.
When asked about the timeline for implementing Basic Economy and Premium Economy fares this is what he said: "Basic Economy will come some time at the end of this year. We don’t have an exact date yet." - that's not news "Premium Economy, domestically, will come some time in 2017 but we still don’t have exact dates." - that's definitely news to me. In a separate part of his talk/Q&A he confirmed that International PE is still coming towards the end of 2016. If anyone else is interested about what else he said the webcast can be found on this American Airlines page and I've added a few points that I found interesting to the blog here. |
Interesting comment, but surely got to be on domestic widebodies only? On a narrowbody the hard product would not be very different to domestic first, unless they went for 2x3 instead of 2x2
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(speculation on my part completely): Could they be reclassifying the domestic MCE seats to PE and adding a couple of additional services, like DL's free booze in Comfort+? DL books Comfort+ into the same fare bucket as PE (W) though it earns MQMs at regular economy rates, not the PE earn rates for W booked via AF, etc.
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Sounds like they plan to make MCE it's own fare class rather than as an auxiliary up sell as part of the booking process. Will help offer a consistent level of service with the international PE product and help AA increase MCE revenue.
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Originally Posted by ty97
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(speculation on my part completely): Could they be reclassifying the domestic MCE seats to PE and adding a couple of additional services, like DL's free booze in Comfort+? DL books Comfort+ into the same fare bucket as PE (W) though it earns MQMs at regular economy rates, not the PE earn rates for W booked via AF, etc.
Originally Posted by golfingboy
(Post 26639303)
Sounds like they plan to make MCE it's own fare class rather than as an auxiliary up sell as part of the booking process. Will help offer a consistent level of service with the international PE product and help AA increase MCE revenue.
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Now the fear officially starts... Whether elites are required to request an upgrade to the PE cabin when it turns out all we get would be a middle seat with no rolling back to Exit rows, like the mess DL is starting with.
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Originally Posted by bse118
(Post 26639388)
If that's the case it could have significant - and not positive - implications for upgrades to domestic F.
There are some logistics to be worked through on the Delta end still as it is new. For example, elites seated in exit row aisle seats (exits are not considered Comfort+) can get 'upgraded' to a middle seat in Comfort+ which many would see as a downgrade. I wouldn't fret about the future of domestic first class upgrades yet though. |
Originally Posted by ty97
(Post 26639539)
I wouldn't fret about the future of domestic first class upgrades yet though.
Since DL implemented the 3 tier award structure, one way domestic First/Premium awards have spiked, on average by 7,500-10,000 miles with the introduction of Economy Comfort awards. |
Originally Posted by golfingboy
(Post 26639303)
Sounds like they plan to make MCE it's own fare class rather than as an auxiliary up sell as part of the booking process. Will help offer a consistent level of service with the international PE product and help AA increase MCE revenue.
Originally Posted by ty97
(Post 26639539)
Potentially, though Delta hasn't gone that way yet. Effective yesterday (May 16th) Comfort+ (Delta's version of MCE) became its own separate fare class. Elites can't select Comfort+ at booking, but may be 'upgraded' to Comfort+ at anytime between booking (sometimes immediately) up until booking. This doesn't take away the eligibility to be upgrade to first class however.
If AA (when?) copies DL and designates MCE as effectively a separate cabin, would the seat counts be adjusted to prevent having to give away free product? The LAA 757 in particular is very MCE-heavy as compared to the rest of the fleet and I doubt AA up sells all of those seats. I do have to say that I'm thankful for DL because they're effectively a looking glass into the future now that AA and UA seem to be content to just copy them rather than innovate. |
Originally Posted by Mileometer
(Post 26639168)
Apologies if I've just missed this somewhere but something that Scott Kirby said, today, during a Q&A session at the Bank of America Merrill Lynch 2016 Transportation Conference got my attention.
When asked about the timeline for implementing Basic Economy and Premium Economy fares this is what he said: "Basic Economy will come some time at the end of this year. We don’t have an exact date yet." - that's not news "Premium Economy, domestically, will come some time in 2017 but we still don’t have exact dates." - that's definitely news to me. In a separate part of his talk/Q&A he confirmed that International PE is still coming towards the end of 2016. If anyone else is interested about what else he said the webcast can be found on this American Airlines page and I've added a few points that I found interesting to the blog here. |
Originally Posted by ThreeJulietTango
(Post 26640278)
What happens to the people who just want more legroom and don't really care about everything else?
I do have to say that I'm thankful for DL because they're effectively a looking glass into the future now that AA and UA seem to be content to just copy them rather than innovate. Go over to the Delta forum and see how much everyone is enjoying the "innovations". |
Originally Posted by pbuntrock
(Post 26640370)
Really ?!? Every move that Delta has made in the last couple of year has been very anti FF. What you have happening is a very rapid devaluation of FF benefits at Delta. And it appears that AA is following suit.
Go over to the Delta forum and see how much everyone is enjoying the "innovations". |
Originally Posted by pbuntrock
(Post 26640370)
Really ?!? Every move that Delta has made in the last couple of year has been very anti FF. What you have happening is a very rapid devaluation of FF benefits at Delta. And it appears that AA is following suit.
Go over to the Delta forum and see how much everyone is enjoying the "innovations". |
FWIW, AC discontinued domestic and transborder Premium Economy. It was very limited mostly on YYZ-YVR/LAX/YYC, but still.
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Originally Posted by ThreeJulietTango
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What happens to the people who just want more legroom and don't really care about everything else?
I am looking at an 1100 mile (each way) round-trip flight now that is $232 for economy or $275 for Comfort+ seating (I have no DL status)
Originally Posted by ThreeJulietTango
(Post 26640278)
Are Delta's elite upgrades to Comfort+ complimentary or do they require any instruments?
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