Retirement of Aircraft: E190 and A330-300
May 13, 2016, 5:35 pm
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Maybe Piedmont767 or JonNYC can chime in on this. I've heard from several CLT based employees the 289 seat 772 will start making appearances in CLT/PHL next summer to coincide with the departure of the A333 from the fleet. I always thought once the 777 CIP was completed, which will happen in the middle of next year, the 772s would see some CLT/PHL flying.
On an unrelated note, with the arrival of 44 789/A350s beginning in September, I'd be surprised to see any 772 Trans-Pac flying after 2018. The 789/A359 are far more efficient than what a 289 seat 772 can offer.
On an unrelated note, with the arrival of 44 789/A350s beginning in September, I'd be surprised to see any 772 Trans-Pac flying after 2018. The 789/A359 are far more efficient than what a 289 seat 772 can offer.
May 13, 2016, 5:45 pm
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Reason I mentioned TLV is that AA management claimed that TLV was nothing but a money-sink for six years yet UA and DL continue to fly to TLV. Could be that UA and DL aren't making any money on their HI widebodies and could be that they're losing their shirts on TLV as well yet keep TLV for competitive reasons (important customers "demand" TLV be part of their respective networks).
My apologies.
May 13, 2016, 7:36 pm
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Hey, I saw the AA MD-11s, A300s, and F100s come... and go. 17-18 years for the A333s is not a shocking outcome, even if it's a few years short of the norm.
May 13, 2016, 9:30 pm
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Oh I know, it just feels like yesterday. As well as flying on DC-9s, 727s, F100s .. in fact my first AA widebody was a newish 767, probably a -200 or -200ER, on a midday DFW-PHL run in the mid 80s, memorable for having three maintenance delays over 5 hours before leaving the gate at what was then known as Terminal 2E.
May 14, 2016, 1:13 am
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Maybe Piedmont767 or JonNYC can chime in on this. I've heard from several CLT based employees the 289 seat 772 will start making appearances in CLT/PHL next summer to coincide with the departure of the A333 from the fleet. I always thought once the 777 CIP was completed, which will happen in the middle of next year, the 772s would see some CLT/PHL flying.
PHL: MAN/LHR/DUB/CDG/FRA/MUC/ZRH/FCO/VCE/MAD/BCN/ATH.
CLT: LHR/FRA/CDG/MAD/BCN/FCO.
Now, DUB can be served with a 757 from both airports. And I doubt CLT is going to see the same amount of TATL destinations after this year.
May 14, 2016, 5:00 am
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What aircraft will be doing BOS-LGA-WAS shuttle after E90 retire? I think AA still calls this route Shuttle, don't they? Will one of EAAgle airlines fly BOS-LGA-WAS and this route remain E90? Or will A319 or 738 be doing Northeast Shuttle?
May 14, 2016, 5:31 am
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Eagle carriers can't operate E90s due to pilot scope clauses. (Well, I guess they could if they reduced them to 76 seats. For that matter, they could operate 76-seat 77Ws.) That's the whole reason the E90 isn't proving to be an economical aircraft, as far as I know; if pilot salaries were equal, I bet it would be a cheaper plane per seat mile than the E75, as most stretch variants are.
It seems to me that a mix of E75s (Eagle) and 319s would make sense, but that's just a guess. That's roughly what DL uses for their Shuttle product.
May 14, 2016, 6:12 am
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May 14, 2016, 7:12 am
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How many PHL/CLT-Europe markets need 37 J seats per flight? I can easily see them on LHR flights. And the 772s can be rotated in with the LHR flying from other hubs. But the 15 332s can cover most of the other TATL flying from both airports which require a widebody (for range and/or competitive reasons).
PHL: MAN/LHR/DUB/CDG/FRA/MUC/ZRH/FCO/VCE/MAD/BCN/ATH.
CLT: LHR/FRA/CDG/MAD/BCN/FCO.
Now, DUB can be served with a 757 from both airports. And I doubt CLT is going to see the same amount of TATL destinations after this year.
PHL: MAN/LHR/DUB/CDG/FRA/MUC/ZRH/FCO/VCE/MAD/BCN/ATH.
CLT: LHR/FRA/CDG/MAD/BCN/FCO.
Now, DUB can be served with a 757 from both airports. And I doubt CLT is going to see the same amount of TATL destinations after this year.
May 14, 2016, 3:21 pm
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LHR is one of them I've heard. I could also see CDG/FRA. PHL-ZRH is operated by a CIP 767 this summer. With 17 767s sticking around longterm, this may become permanent. I think of few of those destinations from PHL will either become CIP 767s or stick with 757s. I suspect that announcement of the 757 CIP will happen soon, probably coinciding with the official announcement of the B/E Super Diamond as the new J seats on the A350-900/787-9.
I would love to see what the load factors are for the 333 routes. It might just be that 291 seats was too much capacity for a lot of those markets.
May 14, 2016, 7:11 pm
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ATH went from a 767 to an A332 the past few years, to an A333 this year. IF it sticks around next year, I can't see it being upgraded to a 772. That seems like too much J for that route. I wonder if that would play any role in keeping the route next summer or if they would just put it back down to an A332.
May 14, 2016, 7:11 pm
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But the 763s have a terrible CASM. 209 seats versus 176 for a 752 or 258 for a 332. They really are meant for a route that has high O&D traffic. And aside from that, it is the worst product (both in J and Y) in the widebody fleet.
I would love to see what the load factors are for the 333 routes. It might just be that 291 seats was too much capacity for a lot of those markets.
I would love to see what the load factors are for the 333 routes. It might just be that 291 seats was too much capacity for a lot of those markets.
May 14, 2016, 7:55 pm
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I can see a 772 taking the place of the A333 on PHL-FCO/MAD, well at least in the summer time. PHL-VCE/ATH are likely to be A330-200 routes.