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Originally Posted by 3Cforme
(Post 26608725)
They rely on TIMATIC for that. AA isn't going to develop resources of the scale of the State Department to determine visa needs, nor endlessly train 15,000 counter agents in the ever-changing nuances. It's going to be cheaper to bounce the rare edge case from a flight and let somebody else deal with it, frankly. Call it bad service if you want but it's commercial reality.
The current method is find if you are one of the norms, but when you're one of the "edge cases", then there's got to be a better way. |
Originally Posted by Often1
(Post 26606821)
It is always 100% the passenger's responsibility to have the proper documents for travel. Asking customer service is a complete waste of time and, if CS is wrong, the customer is stuck.
Use TIMATIC yourself https://www.united.com/web/en-us/app...aspx?i=timatic (it's what the carriers use) or check with the consulate(s) of the countries which you will transit / enter. |
It is not clear what flights you are on and what your nationality is. You can transit w/o visa in both MAA and AUH but it depends on a number of factors so difficult to give advice without further info. FYI - You can get a visa on arrival in India now (but need to pay on-line at least 4 days prior to arrival).
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Unfortunately, TIMATIC is badly written. There must be a way to present the information correctly, concisely in simple English. I understand why the agents make mistakes all the time, unless they use TIMATIC daily for complex cases.
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Originally Posted by grrizzli
(Post 26610071)
Unfortunately, TIMATIC is badly written. There must be a way to present the information correctly, concisely in simple English. I understand why the agents make mistakes all the time, unless they use TIMATIC daily for complex cases.
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Be on safe side, and have a printed copy that you do not need a visa from official website of the country at issue.
A few years ago I flew from South Africa to Zambia, and at check-in in Johannesburg, after checking her computer, the agent said: You cannot get on the flight, you don't have a visa to Zambia. I showed her a print from a Zambia Ministry website that I do not need a visa (I can get it when landing in Zambia). She said: OK, just let me make a copy, so I am covered. Then I told her: maybe you can update the system. Her answer was: I cannot, it is read-only for us. |
Originally Posted by IntFF
(Post 26614181)
Be on safe side, and have a printed copy that you do not need a visa from official website of the country at issue.
A few years ago I flew from South Africa to Zambia, and at check-in in Johannesburg, after checking her computer, the agent said: You cannot get on the flight, you don't have a visa to Zambia. I showed her a print from a Zambia Ministry website that I do not need a visa (I can get it when landing in Zambia). She said: OK, just let me make a copy, so I am covered. Then I told her: maybe you can update the system. Her answer was: I cannot, it is read-only for us. |
Originally Posted by IntFF
(Post 26614181)
Be on safe side, and have a printed copy that you do not need a visa from official website of the country at issue.
A few years ago I flew from South Africa to Zambia, and at check-in in Johannesburg, after checking her computer, the agent said: You cannot get on the flight, you don't have a visa to Zambia. I showed her a print from a Zambia Ministry website that I do not need a visa (I can get it when landing in Zambia). She said: OK, just let me make a copy, so I am covered. Then I told her: maybe you can update the system. Her answer was: I cannot, it is read-only for us. A slightly more understandable visa discussion occurred when I flew TPA-DFW-NRT-SIN. The TPA AA agent flipped back and forth through my passport, obviously looking for an (unneeded) visa. "I don't see a visa for Japan." I pointed out that I did not need one for transit, and fortunately she was satisfied with that. |
Most GAs won't look at any printouts, only their interpretation of what their TIMATIC is telling them, even if they're using it incorrectly or reading it wrong.
In some ways AA passengers are lucky in that there is the visa czar (but only on weekdays during office hours--who knows what happens if that person is out sick or on vacation?) but unlucky in that sometimes even the visa czar seems to be wrong. |
Originally Posted by Often1
(Post 26606821)
It is always 100% the passenger's responsibility to have the proper documents for travel. Asking customer service is a complete waste of time and, if CS is wrong, the customer is stuck.
Originally Posted by 3Cforme
(Post 26608725)
They rely on TIMATIC for that. AA isn't going to develop resources of the scale of the State Department to determine visa needs, nor endlessly train 15,000 counter agents in the ever-changing nuances. It's going to be cheaper to bounce the rare edge case from a flight and let somebody else deal with it, frankly. Call it bad service if you want but it's commercial reality.
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 26615061)
Most GAs won't look at any printouts, only their interpretation of what their TIMATIC is telling them, even if they're using it incorrectly or reading it wrong.
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