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Old Mar 16, 07, 1:17 am
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Originally Posted by justinlanger View Post
I posted this in another forum..Moving the thread here.

I have booked roundtrip tickets from US to Munich on AA. For both ways, I have stopover at London. I am going to tour Europe for the first time and realized only recently that most of the escorted tours of Europe start in London. I don't want to cancel my tickets. Is there any way I can skip my LON-MUC leg during both trips? Is it even allowed?
You aren't going to have a return trip if you get off in London.
1. Why do you want to start where most tours start?
2. Europe is a big place, how long are you staying?
3. Why did you chose MUC in the first place?
4. Have you checked on changing your tickets?
5. Have you considered going from location to location on your own and then using a local tour company at each location?
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Old Mar 16, 07, 1:19 am
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Originally Posted by olimaspecto View Post
If you skip it the rules say it will be cancelled. I have found that while flights operated by AA are extremely strict on this, sometimes partner flights are not as well kept track of.

I flew a MUC-BRU-ORD-DFW and missed my MUC-BRU leg, but the rest wasn't cancelled. I was traveling on that itinerary all on the same day and my guess is that SN's system and AA's system didn't sync up in the time period to alert them I missed the flight. That said, my guess is that if I would have traveled MUC-BRU on one day and BRU-ORD-DFW on another, the chance of canceling downline segments would have had a greater chance of being cancelled.
So your advice is not to worry about it, because your flights didn't get canceled?????
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Old Mar 16, 07, 5:01 am
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Originally Posted by justinlanger View Post
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Not much call for opening batsmen in MUC but excellent ovals, used as Biergartens in summer, just wait a few days in one of those till the Kontiki bus turns up.

Seriously they will be quite happy for you to join mid-tour.
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Old Mar 16, 07, 5:59 am
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Originally Posted by justinlanger View Post
I have booked roundtrip tickets from US to Munich on AA. For both ways, I have stopover at London
I assume that LON-MUC-LON are AA flight numbers (code share on BA)? If so, I agree that skipping those flights would cause problems. If they were BA flight numbers, you might be OK?
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Old Mar 16, 07, 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by mvoight View Post
So your advice is not to worry about it, because your flights didn't get canceled?????
No, my advice is not to miss your flights at all and try to arrange another option, but that if you "must" miss the MUC-LHR flight that its not a certainty that your next leg will be cancelled, though it is pretty likely. I was just sharing my experience dealing with such circumstances.
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Old Mar 16, 07, 4:26 pm
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Originally Posted by mvoight View Post
You aren't going to have a return trip if you get off in London.
1. Why do you want to start where most tours start?
2. Europe is a big place, how long are you staying?
3. Why did you chose MUC in the first place?
4. Have you checked on changing your tickets?
5. Have you considered going from location to location on your own and then using a local tour company at each location?
1.
2. I am there for 15 nights.
3. Got cheaper roundtrip tkts to MUC than any other major destination in Europe.
4. Yes, its going to cost me $130 (fee) plus difference between what I paid for the ticket and current fare AA is quoting for LON.
5. I thought about it. Doing it on my own, I won't be able to cover as many cities as the tour covers.
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Old Mar 16, 07, 7:57 pm
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Originally Posted by justinlanger View Post
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5. I thought about it. Doing it on my own, I won't be able to cover as many cities as the tour covers.
Sometimes, Justin, quality is better than quantity. If you want to get to know some cool Europeans, go explore some out-of-the-way places, take tours of your interests rather than the interests of the lemmings, then you are best planning your own itinerary. If you plan on more international travel in the future, it is a good idea to get the experience of planning your own trip. Most tour groups overwhelm tourist sites, so that memory of a lifetime turns out to be a claustrophobic mob. There are English walking tours in many cities geared exactly to your specific interests. Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but flying to the cheapest drop-off and seeing only your top four or five cities is a good bet. Depend on rail for city to city travel or the LCCs, both of which can be booked on line.
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Old Jun 19, 07, 1:02 pm
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Impact of skipping last flight on Award Travel

Hi -

I have routing on hold through tomorrow:

IAD-MIA Thursday Night
MIA - AUA Friday Morning
AUA - MIA Monday Night
MIA - IAD ... Tuesday Morning

I *have* to get back Monday night and there is a flight available to take; just not on award.

Worst case, I'd just book the open jaw back into MIA and purchase the MIA - IAD flight for $100; but what i want to know is that can I redeem the award with the Tuesday MIA-IAD flight in hopes that my flight opens up for award (once ticketed it would be more than the cost of the flight to pay the $100 change fee to add the last segment on).

But if October rolls around and I never find my flight available for award, what happens if I just never show up for my Tuesday award flight???

Does this make sense? I.E. I need to decide whether to just take what I can get and pay the $100 for the last segment not available now...or can I hold off and just skip the last segment.

I know logic doesn't prevail here, but I find it silly that I would be charged $100 to drop a segment but that seems to be the rules...even though they conceivably could sell the seat...

Thanks!
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Old Jun 19, 07, 2:42 pm
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In my experience, if i cant get my preferred flight, i've book another, than a few days before, called the AAgent and they were able to put me on the preferred flight, no charge. Might want to try this approach as you can change award tickets unlimited amount of times.
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Old Jun 19, 07, 3:04 pm
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I had a similar situation this week. You can call AA up to an hour before the flight to cancel the award ticket. You will have a year from the award booking date to use the award as booked, but you must retain the ticket number.
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Old Jun 19, 07, 4:42 pm
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Originally Posted by hawaii-bound View Post
I had a similar situation this week. You can call AA up to an hour before the flight to cancel the award ticket. You will have a year from the award booking date to use the award as booked, but you must retain the ticket number.
While this is true if you cancel the entire award ticket, it's not true if you just want to miss one flight. There will be no value left on the award ticket once the first 3 segmnets are used.

To the OP: you can change the date of award travel without a change fee, so long as you don't change the destination. I've never tried what you're suggesting on skipping the last flight if you can never switch the flight, but I can't imagine any fee for no-showing the last flight. After all, IAD-AUA-IAD costs the number of miles as IAD-AUA-MIA.
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Old Jun 19, 07, 5:00 pm
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I had a very similar situation:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=665647

In my case I monitored the number of tickets available for sale for the last segment using expertflyer. I set alerts for Y0, Y1, Y2, etc.

This way I could gauge throughout the day if I should buy a ticket or just standby withe the AAward ticket. More seats became available, I stood by and no problem, no questions.

I curious item was that my original flights were for Thursday and I wanted to standbye for Wed. The AAgent printed the ticket, but it still said Thur. This caused an error at the ticket reading machine, but she just overrode. Maybe they cannot re-print for a different day.

Another problem is checked bags. In another similar case I ended up buying the ticket and 'wasting' the last segment on the AAward. This caused the suitcases to be lost for a few days, but after some calls they eventually showed up.
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Old Jun 19, 07, 5:31 pm
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OP won't have a problem with checked baggage since he'll have to claim it at MIA anyway.

Book the AAward for IAD-AUA-IAD and then call to get the date changed on the last leg when the seats open up. If you wait, you may not be able to get the more important three legs that are available now.
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Old Jun 19, 07, 8:09 pm
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Originally Posted by zachary View Post
While this is true if you cancel the entire award ticket, it's not true if you just want to miss one flight. There will be no value left on the award ticket once the first 3 segmnets are used.

To the OP: you can change the date of award travel without a change fee, so long as you don't change the destination. I've never tried what you're suggesting on skipping the last flight if you can never switch the flight, but I can't imagine any fee for no-showing the last flight. After all, IAD-AUA-IAD costs the number of miles as IAD-AUA-MIA.
Right, but if OP books it as IAD-AUA-MIA-IAD, then even if the desired MIA-IAD doesn't open up, he can change it, that day, to a June '08 flight, and then he's the proud owner of a freely changable MIA-IAD one way ticket (subject to award capacity) good anytime between Oct & June..

And if he doesn't find a use for it during those 8 months, if he never flies it, there will be no repurcussions.
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Old Jun 19, 07, 9:00 pm
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Originally Posted by swag View Post
Right, but if OP books it as IAD-AUA-MIA-IAD, then even if the desired MIA-IAD doesn't open up, he can change it, that day, to a June '08 flight, and then he's the proud owner of a freely changable MIA-IAD one way ticket (subject to award capacity) good anytime between Oct & June..

And if he doesn't find a use for it during those 8 months, if he never flies it, there will be no repurcussions.
Excellent point. I should have thought of that.
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