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ARCHIVE: LAX-HKG w/ 77W announced, starting 7 September 2016

ARCHIVE: LAX-HKG w/ 77W announced, starting 7 September 2016

Old Mar 20, 16, 9:38 am
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Flights are now available to book. Not surprisingly, I see no award space for dates I'm looking for (Dec), even looking +/- 3 days, in FC, C or even Y classes.
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Old Mar 20, 16, 2:23 pm
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Originally Posted by bostonbali View Post
Flights are now available to book. Not surprisingly, I see no award space for dates I'm looking for (Dec), even looking +/- 3 days, in FC, C or even Y classes.
Just checked from 9/8 to end of schedule...nothing on the LAX-HKG or v/v in any classes.
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Old Mar 22, 16, 5:19 pm
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Originally Posted by bostonbali View Post
Flights are now available to book. Not surprisingly, I see no award space for dates I'm looking for (Dec), even looking +/- 3 days, in FC, C or even Y classes.
There is award space in economy now.
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Old Mar 22, 16, 6:18 pm
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Originally Posted by NA-Flyer View Post
The food aspect on CX is a disaster. One of the weaknesses of CX is FOOD
Even with CX's catering deterioration, they are still better than AA.

Wine: AA serves the same plonk they do in J. CX serves proper bubbles and classified Bordeaux.

Liquor: AA can't even stock proper Scotch anymore. CX does. They stock quite a few more options for aperitifs as well.

Beer: This is a wash. They both serve junk.

Food: Yeah, I'd still rather have CX with what they do now. They do a proper cheese service at the end of the meal as well.

I haven't had AA's new "Upgraded" catering, so this is all based on CX F vs AA F. If they do indeed launch this route with their new Catering, they may one-up CX. Then they would just need to install an ISM on board to ensure the staff work the flight properly.
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Old Mar 22, 16, 6:22 pm
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Originally Posted by tys90 View Post
There is award space in economy now.
Yay...
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Old Mar 22, 16, 6:24 pm
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Originally Posted by SNA_Flyer View Post
Even with CX's catering deterioration, they are still better than AA.

Wine: AA serves the same plonk they do in J. CX serves proper bubbles and classified Bordeaux.

Liquor: AA can't even stock proper Scotch anymore. CX does. They stock quite a few more options for aperitifs as well.

Beer: This is a wash. They both serve junk.

Food: Yeah, I'd still rather have CX with what they do now. They do a proper cheese service at the end of the meal as well.

I haven't had AA's new "Upgraded" catering, so this is all based on CX F vs AA F. If they do indeed launch this route with their new Catering, they may one-up CX. Then they would just need to install an ISM on board to ensure the staff work the flight properly.
CX F vs AA F, there is absolutely no contest. CX wins hands down, I don't know why you would ever think that they're even in the same league. J can be comparable, though.
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Old Mar 23, 16, 2:58 am
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Surprisingly enough, flight 193 (the newly announced route from LAX to HKG) is only the fourth longest flight in the current AA system. Digging around aa.com produced the following thirteen flights all of which are over 6000 miles in length. Three of the longest four flights (137, 73, and 193) are or will be flown by the 77W. Most of the others are or will be flown by the 788. Mileage data is taken from aa.com.

Flight 137, DFW/HKG, 8111mi > Flight 73, LAX/SYD, 7487mi > Flight 127, DFW/PVG, 7351mi > Flight 193, LAX/HKG, 7247mi > Flight 289, ORD/PVG, 7057mi

Flight 263, DFW/PEK, 6971mi > Flight 281, DFW/ICN, 6846mi > Flight 187, ORD/PEK, 6580mi > Flight 83, LAX/AKL, 6504mi > Flight 183, LAX/PVG, 6485mi >

Flight 175, DFW/NRT, 6427mi > Flight 153, ORD/NRT, 6274mi > Flight 215, LAX/GRU, 6156mi


Any other flights over 6000 miles that may have been overlooked?

Last edited by marnold3; Mar 23, 16 at 7:02 pm Reason: input from Longboater
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Old Mar 23, 16, 3:49 am
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Originally Posted by marnold3 View Post
Surprisingly enough, flight 193 (the newly announced route from LAX to HKG) is only the fourth longest flight in the current AA system. Digging around aa.com produced the following eleven flights all of which are over 6000 miles in length. Three of the longest four flights (137, 73, and 193) are or will be flown by the 77W. Most of the others are or will be flown by the 788. Mileage data is taken from aa.com.

Flight 137, DFW/HKG, 8111mi > Flight 73, LAX/SYD, 7487mi > Flight 127, DFW/PVG, 7351mi > Flight 193, LAX/HKG, 7247mi > Flight 289, ORD/PVG, 7057mi >

Flight 263, DFW/PEK, 6971mi > Flight 187, ORD/PEK, 6580mi > Flight 83, LAX/AKL, 6504mi > Flight 183, LAX/PVG, 6485mi > Flight 175, DFW/NRT, 6427mi >

Flight 153, ORD/NRT, 6274mi


Any other flights over 6000 miles that may have been overlooked?
Flight 281, DFW/ICN, 6846mi > Flight 215, LAX/GRU, 6156mi

LAX-GRU is operated by a 788 and will likely stick with a 788 due to the poor state of the Brazilian economy. It's quite remarkable how five years ago AA couldn't operate most of the listed routes due to that pre-bankruptcy pilot contract prohibiting flights of over 14 hours with the exception of the long cancelled ORD-DEL.

I expect DFW/LAX-HKG and LAX-SYD to stay 77W routes due to the premium nature of those markets. It was suggested in the DFW-HKG thread that the flight might eventually become a 789 due to the extra range of the aircraft but with AA's planned high density configuration for the aircraft, it makes little sense. It'll be interesting to see what aircraft end up operating the rest of the 6,000 mi+ routes. AA largely switched to the 788 on these routes as the old 777 configuration gave these routes little chance of becoming profitable. I expect most of them in the long term will be operated either by the 789 or A350 and the 788s end up replacing the 767s on TATL flights.

Biggest question mark I have is what will AA do on DFW-NRT. When the 77W order became official, it was announced that they would be flown to LHR/GRU/NRT/HKG, even before HKG was launched. With JAL re-entering the DFW-NRT market, albeit with a low density 788, I find it hard to believe thrice daily DFW-NRT, especially with AA's adds of DFW-ICN/PEK/PVG/HKG over the past three years, isn't excess capacity. I would have figured AA would have dropped down to once daily DFW-NRT on the 77W instead of switching out one of the MIA-GRU frequencies to MIA-EZE. (Must have a lot of confidence in the new Argentinian Government's economic plan.) With LAX-HND going daytime in the fall, AA practically got a gift as this route should be a gold mine with proper slots. Daytime LAX-HND pretty much eliminates any need for LAX-NRT. I think its possible AA considers putting a 77W on LAX-HND as yields on the route should be relatively decent despite the Japanese economic malaise. Ending F on their own metal to NRT would be a pretty big indictment of the state of the Japanese economy.
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Old Mar 23, 16, 9:52 am
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Reliability...

Hope LAX to HKG is more relaible than the DFW, which again went MX today on 3/23 with a 5 hour delay to wait for LHR inbound as replacement plane. I got alert at 1am when in LA, and am rebooked on CX879 direct now. Was due to connect through Dallas but now ended up with a better option :-)
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Old Mar 23, 16, 10:02 am
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Great addition to the mAAp ^^
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Old Mar 23, 16, 11:18 am
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Originally Posted by prw555 View Post
Hope LAX to HKG is more relaible than the DFW, which again went MX today on 3/23 with a 5 hour delay to wait for LHR inbound as replacement plane. I got alert at 1am when in LA, and am rebooked on CX879 direct now. Was due to connect through Dallas but now ended up with a better option :-)
Given that they're both 77Ws and the flights will be a LAX-HKG-DFW rotation, I don't see why reliability would be any better or worse unless there are more spares in LAX (which I don't think is the case) and that spares would be allocated to HKG over LHR/SYD/any other 77W routes out of LAX (which I guess is plausible, particularly given the four joint venture flights a day to LHR and the two-to-three to SYD, except that the HKG flight leaves hours after any of the LHR or SYD flights). Is reliability really a significant issue on DFW-HKG or any other 77W routes anyway?
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Old Mar 23, 16, 11:26 am
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Originally Posted by ashill View Post
Is reliability really a significant issue on DFW-HKG or any other 77W routes anyway?
Personally, I'd say yes. I travel that route once a month and it went MX at least 3 times on me last year, never mind the other flights I've monitored. When it goes wrong, it really goes wrong.
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Old Mar 23, 16, 2:38 pm
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Originally Posted by ashill View Post
Is reliability really a significant issue on DFW-HKG or any other 77W routes anyway?
Based on the reports here, yes.
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Old Mar 23, 16, 4:30 pm
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It gets a fairly poor rating by FlightStats.
Over the past month, ex-DFW, ~70% on-time, 9% late/very late, and 18% excessively late. Average delay is over 2 hours.
Basically, either it's fine, or you're screwed (i.e., major MX).

http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...irportCode=HKG

For the ex-HKG flight, 86% on-time, but the severe delays are worse (avg ~3 hrs).

I do wonder how this will shake out when they're rotating the aircraft through DFW/HKG/LAX with little slack built into the system. It might get ugly.
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Old Mar 23, 16, 4:55 pm
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Originally Posted by ijgordon View Post
It gets a fairly poor rating by FlightStats.
Over the past month, ex-DFW, ~70% on-time, 9% late/very late, and 18% excessively late. Average delay is over 2 hours.
Basically, either it's fine, or you're screwed (i.e., major MX).

http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...irportCode=HKG

For the ex-HKG flight, 86% on-time, but the severe delays are worse (avg ~3 hrs).

I do wonder how this will shake out when they're rotating the aircraft through DFW/HKG/LAX with little slack built into the system. It might get ugly.
AA is dropping one 77W DFW-LHR is December. As of right now, there is only one spare in the fleet.
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