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As a matter of general policy, discussions of union labor contracts are beyond the scope of the AA fora–which are focused on American Airlines travel and AAdvantage program benefits–and are more suited to the OMNI/PR Forum.
However, given that a significant number of members in this forum who are deeply interested in discussing this topic, this will serve as a single, dedicated thread for discussion of it.
This thread is for respectful exchange of information and viewpoints. All posts remain subject to the FlyerTalk Rules. Be advised that vitriol, personal attacks, name-calling, union/management bashing, etc. will NOT be tolerated and members posting such material will be subject to swift and decisive disciplinary action, which may include suspension of FT posting privileges under the TOS. Further, now that we have a dedicated thread for this discussion, derailment of other threads to this topic will not be permitted.
Those interested in these discussions are invited to participate here. As a reminder and to reiterate, this thread is for AA-specific discussion and speculation only; general pro/anti-union discussion should occur in the OMNI/PR Forum.
~Microwave
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RESPECTFUL discussion of 2016 AA labor union relations issues (consolidated)
Jan 25, 2016, 2:54 pm
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RESPECTFUL discussion of 2016 AA labor union relations issues (consolidated)
As a matter of general policy, discussions of union labor contracts are beyond the scope of the AA fora–which are focused on American Airlines travel and AAdvantage program benefits–and are more suited to the OMNI/PR Forum. However, given that a significant number of members in this forum who are deeply interested in discussing this topic, this will serve as a single, dedicated thread for discussion of it.
Please see the Wiki above for this thread's ground rules, and please alert moderators if a member is not following them. Thank you!
~Microwave
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Please see the Wiki above for this thread's ground rules, and please alert moderators if a member is not following them. Thank you!
~Microwave
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Last edited by Microwave; Mar 7, 2016 at 12:54 am
Jan 25, 2016, 2:54 pm
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"Going for Bronze" ... seeds of discontent [APA pilot union leader]
Jan 25, 2016, 4:06 pm
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Better than the Forbes piece - a bit thin, IMHO - would be the full text of the referenced letter by the president of the APA.
“We have all witnessed a culture gone awry,” Keith Wilson, president of the Allied Pilots Association, wrote Saturday in a letter to the airline’s 15,000 pilots.
“We have all witnessed a culture gone awry,” Keith Wilson, president of the Allied Pilots Association, wrote Saturday in a letter to the airline’s 15,000 pilots.
Jan 25, 2016, 5:13 pm
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I will watch this with great interest.
Jan 25, 2016, 5:32 pm
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embittered pilots drove this merger: live with it
Pilots drove this merger, against AA management, sent Horton packing, and fully embraced Doug Parker and US Air management. Now that they have it, my pilot sympathy = zero.
Merger has been better than I would have guessed. EXP call centre wait times notwithstanding.
Merger has been better than I would have guessed. EXP call centre wait times notwithstanding.
Jan 26, 2016, 9:37 am
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They have always had trouble against any management or new employee group. They hated Crandall, Carty, Arpey, Horton and now Parker, and they hated the TWA and US Airways groups that came in. Nothing has nor will ever make them happy.
Merger has been going decent so far, I hope these pilots don't screw it up.
Merger has been going decent so far, I hope these pilots don't screw it up.
Jan 26, 2016, 9:42 am
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It's sad to see, as we had two guys that werent hell bent on doing whatever it takes to raise the stock price even at the potential harm to long term stakeholders (including customers and employees).
When a CEO only takes pay in stock, one could argue his/her decisions could be clouded and distorted for short-term gains in order to make money on your regularly scheduled stock sales. AA, instead of investing profits/cash into lowering debt, increasing pay, increasing customer service levels has instead decided upon mainly buying back stock to prop up the share price.
Jan 26, 2016, 10:59 am
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I don't normally agree with union leaders, however in this case Keith Wilson is pretty much spot on. A culture of cutting corners in the name of being as cheap as possible has developed under the current America West mAAnagement. Not that this is at all surprising. Deep Discount Doug should really look into managing something like a Taco Bell Express (I think he would be a bit swamped at a full Taco Bell).
Jan 26, 2016, 11:13 am
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