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LAX Growth Announcement Week of 18 Jan 2016

Old Jan 15, 16, 6:03 pm
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New routes announced so far:

DFW-BZN, daily CR9, winter & summer seasonal
DFW-BOI, daily A319
DFW-SUX, daily ERJ145
DFW-SWO, 2x daily ERJ145

LGA-MVY, 3 weekly CR2, summer seasonal
LGA-BGR, 2 weekly CR2, summer seasonal
LGA-MYR, 2 weekly CR2, summer seasonal
LGA-ACK, 3 weekly ERJ170, summer seasonal
LGA-SDF, 1 daily CR2

CLT-SJC, daily A319, eastbound redeye, summer seasonal

ORD-SMF, double daily 738 including one eastbound redeye

LAX-SEA, 5 daily (4x A319 / 1x ERJ-175)
LAX-PDX, 3 daily ERJ-175
LAX-MSP, 2 daily A319
LAX-MSY, 1 daily 738
LAX-MCI, 1 daily A319
LAX-OMA, 1 daily A319
LAX-BDL, 1 daily 738, eastbound redeye
LAX-ANC, 1 daily, A319 seasonal
LAX-DRO, 1 daily, seasonal
LAX-RDU, 2nd daily, summer seasonal, A319


Route CUTS:
PHL-SMF
PHX-YYC
PHX-YEG (moving to winter seasonal)
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LAX Growth Announcement Week of 18 Jan 2016

Old Jan 16, 16, 8:40 pm
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Originally Posted by golfingboy View Post
My assumption is your estimate will be spot on. SJC currently does not have any option that gets one to a destination on the east coast first thing in the morning. The day time options out of SJC are already well covered by PHX, DFW, and ORD (to a lesser extent - LAX). Having a red-eye option eastbound will complement AA's current offering ex-SJC well.

I am also guessing they will deploy the A321 on the route. All nonstop destinations out of CLT to SLC and points west are served with the A321.
My understanding is a redeye eastbound as you both suggested but I believe it is 319 equipment.
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Old Jan 17, 16, 12:34 pm
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Originally Posted by DWFI View Post
My understanding is a redeye eastbound as you both suggested but I believe it is 319 equipment.
I see it loaded now, A319 as you said. Surprised how early CLT-SJC is!

CLT-SJC: departs CLT 1810, arrives SJC 2040
SJC-CLT: departs SJC 2245, arrives CLT 0640

2 hours on the ground at SJC seems suboptimal unless they're planning on routing the planes PHX-SJC-CLT and CLT-SJC (overnight) - PHX. But even then, CLT-SJC could probably leave later...
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Old Jan 17, 16, 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by DWFI View Post
My understanding is a redeye eastbound as you both suggested but I believe it is 319 equipment.
Given that it's to CLT, can we presume that it's the LUS 319 (what SeatGuru calls V2, with no MCE but with a couple endless legroom exit row seats)?

The LUS 319 is obviously a slightly different model of A319 than the LAA 319, given that it has a different number of exit doors. So it will always be a little different, even after it's (presumably) updated for MCE someday.

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Old Jan 17, 16, 2:47 pm
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Originally Posted by sdsearch View Post
The LUS 319 is obviously a slightly different model of A319 than the LAA 319, given that it has a different number of exit doors. So it will always be a little different, even after it's (presumably) updated for MCE someday.
I don't believe that the LUS A319s have a "different number of exit doors" compared to the LAA A319s. All have four full-sized doors plus two overwing hatch exits.

The LUS A319s will eventually have the same seating configuration as the LAA A319s but will not feature seatback AVOD.
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Old Jan 17, 16, 3:43 pm
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Not sure if this has been mentioned but the LGA routes are all 2-3x weekly. Pretty low-risk given where oil is.
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Old Jan 17, 16, 3:53 pm
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Originally Posted by taxicabnumber View Post
I see it loaded now, A319 as you said. Surprised how early CLT-SJC is!

CLT-SJC: departs CLT 1810, arrives SJC 2040
SJC-CLT: departs SJC 2245, arrives CLT 0640

2 hours on the ground at SJC seems suboptimal unless they're planning on routing the planes PHX-SJC-CLT and CLT-SJC (overnight) - PHX. But even then, CLT-SJC could probably leave later...
Why is it suboptimal? It's only a two-hour layover. And the aircraft is being utilized overnight as opposed to a typical RON of 6 or 8 hours. Plus, it is still available during the day to do another roundtrip from CLT; like to the Carribean, for example.
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Old Jan 17, 16, 4:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Fanjet View Post
Why is it suboptimal? It's only a two-hour layover. And the aircraft is being utilized overnight as opposed to a typical RON of 6 or 8 hours. Plus, it is still available during the day to do another roundtrip from CLT; like to the Carribean, for example.
It's also an opportunity to absorb some delays that may have accumulated in the aircraft's schedule throughout the day, as opposed to, say, a scheduled 45-60 minute turn.
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Old Jan 17, 16, 4:29 pm
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Originally Posted by phlwookie View Post
It's also an opportunity to absorb some delays that may have accumulated in the aircraft's schedule throughout the day, as opposed to, say, a scheduled 45-60 minute turn.
In fact, I would say this aircraft usage is going to be quite optimal, as it could see around 16 hours of flight time and only four airframe cycles within a 24-hour period.
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Old Jan 17, 16, 4:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Fanjet View Post
Why is it suboptimal? It's only a two-hour layover. And the aircraft is being utilized overnight as opposed to a typical RON of 6 or 8 hours. Plus, it is still available during the day to do another roundtrip from CLT; like to the Carribean, for example.
I assume that the "suboptimal" characterization arose because of the somewhat leisurely two hour turn with the implication being that it would be more efficient if the flight departed CLT later in the evening and was scheduled for a 60 minute turn at SJC.

What taxicubnumber may not have considered is that with a banked hub, the departure time from CLT is somewhat fixed (so that it departs during that bank) and that any downtime occurs at the outstations. Under the pmAA MO of rolling hubs, planes often turned quickly at outstations but may have spent more time sitting in the hubs. With the banked hubs, planes will sit more often at the spokes.

Originally Posted by phlwookie View Post
It's also an opportunity to absorb some delays that may have accumulated in the aircraft's schedule throughout the day, as opposed to, say, a scheduled 45-60 minute turn.
Very good point. If there are evening departure delays at CLT or unexpected headwinds or accumulated rolling delays, the two hour turn at SJC increases the chances that the flight will arrive at CLT on-time, which is very important because this flight depends on successful connections at CLT.
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Originally Posted by FWAAA View Post
I assume that the "suboptimal" characterization arose because of the somewhat leisurely two hour turn with the implication being that it would be more efficient if the flight departed CLT later in the evening and was scheduled for a 60 minute turn at SJC.
Yep.

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What taxicubnumber may not have considered is that with a banked hub, the departure time from CLT is somewhat fixed (so that it departs during that bank) and that any downtime occurs at the outstations. Under the pmAA MO of rolling hubs, planes often turned quickly at outstations but may have spent more time sitting in the hubs. With the banked hubs, planes will sit more often at the spokes.
Fair point, seems reasonable.
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Originally Posted by sdsearch View Post
Given that it's to CLT, can we presume that it's the LUS 319 (what SeatGuru calls V2, with no MCE but with a couple endless legroom exit row seats)?

The LUS 319 is obviously a slightly different model of A319 than the LAA 319, given that it has a different number of exit doors. So it will always be a little different, even after it's (presumably) updated for MCE someday.
I think we can definitely assume LUS319 for now, yes.
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Old Jan 18, 16, 11:38 am
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I don't believe that the LUS A319s have a "different number of exit doors" compared to the LAA A319s. All have four full-sized doors plus two overwing hatch exits.

The LUS A319s will eventually have the same seating configuration as the LAA A319s but will not feature seatback AVOD.
Even if the extra overwing exit doors are a SeatGutu mistake, the LUS A319 seems to have a significantly different total number of rows than the LAA A319.

Recall also that that LAA got the A319 fairly recently, while the A319 was in the LUS fleet for quite a few years I think.

So is it not possible that the LUS A319 is a different "submodel" than than the AA A319? By submodel, I mean whatever the equivalent is in Airbus of a 737-400 vs 737-700 vs 737-800, etc.

And thus even if they divide it up into F/MCE/Y-, the exact number of seats in each of those may end up different on the LUS A319 than it is on the LAA A319? (And if the seats line up to the exit row differently, the exit row may still be configured differently on the LUS A319 than the LAA A139 even all after is finalized?)
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Old Jan 18, 16, 11:41 am
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Originally Posted by sdsearch View Post
Even if the extra overwing exit doors are a SeatGutu mistake, the LUS A319 seems to have a significantly different total number of rows than the LAA A319.

Recall also that that LAA got the A319 fairly recently, while the A319 was in the LUS fleet for quite a few years I think.

So is it not possible that the LUS A319 is a different "submodel" than than the AA A319? By submodel, I mean whatever the equivalent is in Airbus of a 737-400 vs 737-700 vs 737-800, etc.
I'm almost certain that the Airbus equivalent of 737-700 vs 737-800 is A319 vs A320. The A319, A320, and A321 are the "submodels" of the A320 class; there are no submodels of the A319.
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Even if the extra overwing exit doors are a SeatGutu mistake, the LUS A319 seems to have a significantly different total number of rows than the LAA A319.

Recall also that that LAA got the A319 fairly recently, while the A319 was in the LUS fleet for quite a few years I think.

So is it not possible that the LUS A319 is a different "submodel" than than the AA A319? By submodel, I mean whatever the equivalent is in Airbus of a 737-400 vs 737-700 vs 737-800, etc.

And thus even if they divide it up into F/MCE/Y-, the exact number of seats in each of those may end up different on the LUS A319 than it is on the LAA A319? (And if the seats line up to the exit row differently, the exit row may still be configured differently on the LUS A319 than the LAA A139 even all after is finalized?)
Ehm, not quite.

Seatguru shows exit rows, not the amount of exits. it's like on the LAA 757 (row 9/10). The LUS A319 has one overwing exit on either side just like pretty much every single other A319 (with exception of the few with 2 for high-capacity.)

AA has already started reconfiguring the A319s to the AA config. The rows are exactly the same. No AVOD, though (but hopefully that means no entertainment box under the seats either.)
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Old Jan 18, 16, 12:13 pm
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Originally Posted by ashill View Post
I'm almost certain that the Airbus equivalent of 737-700 vs 737-800 is A319 vs A320. The A319, A320, and A321 are the "submodels" of the A320 class; there are no submodels of the A319.
Technically there are submodels of the A32X series - A321-100 vs A321-200 for example. But the variations are tiny, there are nowhere near the degree of variance of the 737-700 vs 737-800. Additionally, there is only one A319 model - the A319-100.

Customers can choose to order their A319s in different configurations if they so wish. The A319 can have one or two overwing exits on each side, among other variations in galley configuration, etc.
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