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Old Dec 30, 2015, 9:04 pm
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Originally Posted by yydv
Hi all! Has anyone successfully been able to get the $75 close-in 21-day award ticket fee waived for AA? I heard the loophole doesn't work anymore.
What was the loophole?
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Old Dec 30, 2015, 9:05 pm
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I'm assuming that, at best, there will be three J award seats (or maybe two in J and one in F). If there are three award seats in J coming and going, only 330,000 AA miles total (before any rebate if one is a Citi/AAdvantage credit-card holder) are needed. If 265,000 miles are purchased on January 1, that would cover three outbound J seats, and (assuming a 10,000-mile credit-card rebate after purchasing the three outbound awards), two of the three required inbound awards. Then the spouse would only need to purchase 55,000 miles at the end of January, and redeem them for one of the inbound J awards.

The key question is whether there are the requisite number of J/F award seats available on the same flights.
You're absolutely right. We weren't shooting for First as that seems to be a fools errand when trying for 3 seats (plus, we're doing an Infant, and AA charges 10% of the cash price for that even with award travel, which on First fares adds up to a lot)

There are in fact 3x Business class seats available on our desired routing each way at the 55k rate. I put a 5 day hold on them just to be safe.

It's JL instead of CX, but I suppose beggars can't be choosers.

I'll then see if I can get on CX (I've heard CX is better, although I have no idea if this is true, and haven't researched extensively yet. I'm new to all this). I'll then either pull the trigger on the held seats, or if I find something better I'll do that instead.

And, *thank you* for mentioning the credit card rebate. I wasn't aware of this, and am now seeing if I can get signed up and a card number issued over the phone. Because I'll be buying miles (which post as a AA charge apparently), some part of me gleefully wonders if the 'double points on AA purchases' (which would translate into approx another 10k of miles) also applies if I purchase the miles on their branded card. And, the minimum spend will be instantly satisfied if so, which will give me another 50k eventually once it posts I suppose. Yikes!

Now that I have "something" locked in, I'm going to try forging ahead with a way to get the miles purchased (that darn 30 day rule is killing me! Hoping to argue my case tomorrow with them once I'm on what I consider to be day 30).

Originally Posted by williamdw
And, *thank you* for mentioning the credit card rebate. I wasn't aware of this, and am now seeing if I can get signed up and a card number issued over the phone. Because I'll be buying miles (which post as a AA charge apparently), some part of me gleefully wonders if the 'double points on AA purchases' (which would translate into approx another 10k of miles) also applies if I purchase the miles on their branded card. And, the minimum spend will be instantly satisfied if so, which will give me another 50k eventually once it posts I suppose. Yikes!
Annoyingly, Citi can't give out card numbers until the physical card arrives in 10 days, so I guess I can't pay for the miles with the card (grr!), however it does at least say "Your account is considered open as of today, 12/30/15." so I expect the rebate to work.

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Old Dec 30, 2015, 10:00 pm
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Originally Posted by guv1976
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I'm assuming that, at best, there will be three J award seats (or maybe two in J and one in F). If there are three award seats in J coming and going, only 330,000 AA miles total (before any rebate if one is a Citi/AAdvantage credit-card holder) are needed. If 265,000 miles are purchased on January 1, that would cover three outbound J seats, and (assuming a 10,000-mile credit-card rebate after purchasing the three outbound awards), two of the three required inbound awards. Then the spouse would only need to purchase 55,000 miles at the end of January, and redeem them for one of the inbound J awards.

The key question is whether there are the requisite number of J/F award seats available on the same flights.
You're absolutely right. We weren't shooting for First as that seems to be a fools errand when trying for 3 seats (plus, we're doing an Infant, and AA charges 10% of the cash price for that even with award travel, which on First fares adds up to a lot)

There are in fact 3x Business class seats available on our desired routing each way at the 55k rate. I put a 5 day hold on them just to be safe.

It's JL instead of CX, but I suppose beggars can't be choosers.

I'll then see if I can get on CX (I've heard CX is better, although I have no idea if this is true, and haven't researched extensively yet. I'm new to all this). I'll then either pull the trigger on the held seats, or if I find something better I'll do that instead.

And, *thank you* for mentioning the credit card rebate. I wasn't aware of this, and am now seeing if I can get signed up and a card number issued over the phone. Because I'll be buying miles (which post as a AA charge apparently), some part of me gleefully wonders if the 'double points on AA purchases' (which would translate into approx another 10k of miles) also applies if I purchase the miles on their branded card. And, the minimum spend will be instantly satisfied if so, which will give me another 50k eventually once it posts I suppose. Yikes!

Now that I have "something" locked in, I'm going to try forging ahead with a way to get the miles purchased (that darn 30 day rule is killing me! Hoping to argue my case tomorrow with them once I'm on what I consider to be day 30).
Were three SAAver seats also available (in any class) from BOI to and from your North American connecting point(s)?
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Old Dec 30, 2015, 10:11 pm
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Originally Posted by williamdw
It's JL instead of CX, but I suppose beggars can't be choosers.

I'll then see if I can get on CX (I've heard CX is better, although I have no idea if this is true, and haven't researched extensively yet. I'm new to all this).
If you're in J on a route with SkySuites (SFO, LAX, DFW, ORD, JFK), I'd say it's better than CX J. However, any other route (YVR, SAN, BOS) and you have angled flat seats, in which case CX is definitely better.
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Old Dec 30, 2015, 10:54 pm
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Were three SAAver seats also available (in any class) from BOI to and from your North American connecting point(s)?
That's a good point, and something I omitted from my update. I got a little frustrated with their crazy ideas on how to get out of BOI (BOI>SEA>PHX>LAX was their best suggestion) that I decided I would get myself to LAX under my own steam.

In retrospect, I really should have posted that as part of the update, as it does of course have an effect on how easy/hard it is. My focus was on the expensive legs because those are (in my mind) the hard parts.. doing the shuttle hop to LA is so cheap and common to me that I sort of blanked it out as an actual step!
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Old Dec 30, 2015, 11:03 pm
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Originally Posted by flyingeph12
If you're in J on a route with SkySuites (SFO, LAX, DFW, ORD, JFK), I'd say it's better than CX J. However, any other route (YVR, SAN, BOS) and you have angled flat seats, in which case CX is definitely better.

I'm currently on LAX>KIX>BKK. I see blogs from last year mentioning angled seats on this route, yet they also seem to claim they're upgrading the fleet. The JAL press release about the upgrades seems to just not mention the Osaka route at all in terms of if/when it's getting upgraded.

So I guess I should shoot for CX unless I can confirm SkySuites are on the LAX>KIX run (or will be by Q3 2016).
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Old Dec 30, 2015, 11:16 pm
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Were three SAAver seats also available (in any class) from BOI to and from your North American connecting point(s)?
That's a good point, and something I omitted from my update. I got a little frustrated with their crazy ideas on how to get out of BOI (BOI>SEA>PHX>LAX was their best suggestion) that I decided I would get myself to LAX under my own steam.

In retrospect, I really should have posted that as part of the update, as it does of course have an effect on how easy/hard it is. My focus was on the expensive legs because those are (in my mind) the hard parts.. doing the shuttle hop to LA is so cheap and common to me that I sort of blanked it out as an actual step!
If you would consider driving from BOI to SLC, check to see if award seats -- even in Coach -- are available on AA's SLC-LAX flight, and add them to your existing hold. There might be no additional mileage to add on this segment (if JL publishes a SLC-BKK through-fare), and you'd get the benefit of through-checking your luggage. And, if you were later to decide to just fly BOI-LAX on your own dime, AA would let you drop the SLC-LAX and LAX-SLC segments without any change fees. (But if you were to drop those segments after the new award chart went into effect, I'm not sure if AA would then demand more miles from you.)
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Old Dec 30, 2015, 11:20 pm
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Originally Posted by williamdw
I'm currently on LAX>KIX>BKK. I see blogs from last year mentioning angled seats on this route, yet they also seem to claim they're upgrading the fleet. The JAL press release about the upgrades seems to just not mention the Osaka route at all in terms of if/when it's getting upgraded.

So I guess I should shoot for CX unless I can confirm SkySuites are on the LAX>KIX run (or will be by Q3 2016).
You're right, LAX-KIX has angled flat seats. Sorry, I was thinking LAX-NRT.
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Old Dec 31, 2015, 4:31 am
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I suppose to fly CX on an award ticket in F from CDG to CGK via HKG. HKG-CGK was having F cabin and suddenly CX switched EQPMT and assigned an aircraft without F cabin. When I asked AA to change the destination to SIN instead since CX does not offer F cabin on the previous route but has offered F cabin on the flight to SIN they demanded me $ 150 change fees!!!

Is that fee legitimate and in case I don't want to fly to CGK can I just not show on HKG-CGK sector without having any legal consequences or any problems with the HKG authority as they might flag me for future travel on CX?
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Old Dec 31, 2015, 4:39 am
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Originally Posted by NA-Flyer
I suppose to fly CX on an award ticket in F from CDG to CGK via HKG. HKG-CGK was having F cabin and suddenly CX switched EQPMT and assigned an aircraft without F cabin. When I asked AA to change the destination to SIN instead since CX does not offer F cabin on the previous route but has offered F cabin on the flight to SIN they demanded me $ 150 change fees!!!

Is that fee legitimate and in case I don't want to fly to CGK can I just not show on HKG-CGK sector without having any legal consequences or any problems with the HKG authority as they might flag me for future travel on CX?
If you're trying to change destinations simply because of an equipment change, I'm not surprised AA wanted to assess the $150 change fee (only waived for EXPs).

You could likely ask for a refund of the difference between F and J award miles.
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Old Dec 31, 2015, 5:49 am
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Originally Posted by NA-Flyer
I suppose to fly CX on an award ticket in F from CDG to CGK via HKG. HKG-CGK was having F cabin and suddenly CX switched EQPMT and assigned an aircraft without F cabin. When I asked AA to change the destination to SIN instead since CX does not offer F cabin on the previous route but has offered F cabin on the flight to SIN they demanded me $ 150 change fees!!!

Is that fee legitimate and in case I don't want to fly to CGK can I just not show on HKG-CGK sector without having any legal consequences or any problems with the HKG authority as they might flag me for future travel on CX?
The fee is legitimate as you're changing destinations from CGK to SIN. If CX had dropped F on your entire route or the long-haul portion then you would have more options. You can try calling again to see if a different AAgent will waive it, but I wouldn't expect it.

Is your CDG-HKG-CGK award one-way? If yes, then there is no fee to drop the last segment of an award since it's not changing the award type. Call AA.
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Old Dec 31, 2015, 10:50 am
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Question, is there any way to differentiate between MCE and Preferred seats when booking via Concur? I was looking on a Regional plane (CLT-CHA) and looks like they pretty much all say the same thing about "make sure your status entitles you to this seat" but doesn't really differentiate. Looking at the AA site it shows just row 1 as MCE but is there any way to find that out without having to go to both AA's site and concur?
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Old Dec 31, 2015, 11:35 am
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What was the loophole?
Until a few years ago, you could book an award flight for a random date that was 21+ days in the future (free), then make a date change an hour later (also free) to the date you actually wanted (inside 21 days). They loophole was closed when they started charging the same $75 expedite fee for date changes when the new flight date was less than 21 days from the original ticketing date.
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Former US Silver, new AA Gold here...

Question, is there any way to differentiate between MCE and Preferred seats when booking via Concur? I was looking on a Regional plane (CLT-CHA) and looks like they pretty much all say the same thing about "make sure your status entitles you to this seat" but doesn't really differentiate. Looking at the AA site it shows just row 1 as MCE but is there any way to find that out without having to go to both AA's site and concur?
Are you trying to book and select seats? I normally skip seat selection when going through my corporate booking tool, and once the reservation is ticketed, go on the airline website, log in, and then select seats.
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Old Dec 31, 2015, 11:01 pm
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That's a good point, and something I omitted from my update. I got a little frustrated with their crazy ideas on how to get out of BOI (BOI>SEA>PHX>LAX was their best suggestion) that I decided I would get myself to LAX under my own steam.

In retrospect, I really should have posted that as part of the update, as it does of course have an effect on how easy/hard it is. My focus was on the expensive legs because those are (in my mind) the hard parts.. doing the shuttle hop to LA is so cheap and common to me that I sort of blanked it out as an actual step!

Gah!

After all that drama, AA just updated their website for 2016 to allow 200k miles per year instead of 150k (the 2015 limit) for purchase.

Assuming the sale continues as promised to Jan 4 (the site is down for updates now) with the same bonus structure, then 200k would net a 140k bonus (150k got you 115k as of last night, so I'm assuming 200k would scale as well upwards).

I may have been better off just waiting until 2016, although of course there was no way to know that in advance.

It's almost as if AA is trying to make money off of us by keeping things opaque
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