Can I book an itinerary via AA.com which violates MCT?
Nov 22, 2015, 4:48 pm
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Can I book an itinerary via AA.com which violates MCT?
I've been offered an itinerary on AA.com which includes an 80 min international-international BA to AA connection in London Heathrow.
(arriving BA260 from LYS@12:10, depart AA135 (from T3) to LAX @ 01:30 PM)
1. Would it be safe/advisable to book this itinerary? (it's an award booking and there IS a later BA flight available if everything goes wrong - can I assume BA would rebook the passenger? (20 YO infrequent traveller)
2. Is it possible that AA.com is making a mistake and offering to sell me a ticket which is not valid for MCT reasons?
(arriving BA260 from LYS@12:10, depart AA135 (from T3) to LAX @ 01:30 PM)
1. Would it be safe/advisable to book this itinerary? (it's an award booking and there IS a later BA flight available if everything goes wrong - can I assume BA would rebook the passenger? (20 YO infrequent traveller)
2. Is it possible that AA.com is making a mistake and offering to sell me a ticket which is not valid for MCT reasons?
Nov 22, 2015, 4:51 pm
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It is not outside the MCT. the BA flight from Lyon arrives into Terminal 3 at Heathrow
The MCT for BA-AA for a T3-T3 connection is 60 minutes, so no reason why AA shouldn't offer those flights
No reason to be concerned - if there is a problem , BA will rebook onto another service to LAX ( and passenger possibly ending up with EUR600 compensation being due )
The MCT for BA-AA for a T3-T3 connection is 60 minutes, so no reason why AA shouldn't offer those flights
No reason to be concerned - if there is a problem , BA will rebook onto another service to LAX ( and passenger possibly ending up with EUR600 compensation being due )
Nov 22, 2015, 5:03 pm
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OK, where am I making the mistake?
[KVS Tool 7.9.2 - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: LHR/BA-AA]
I'm just trying to understand how to interpret the ITA output - why is the MCT here 60 and not 90?
BTW, thanks Dave for confirming that it is, this is a very convenient routing for the kid concerned.
Code:
DD DI ID II
STANDARD: LHR 020 060 060 060
TERMINAL: LHR TN TO 2 --- 090 --- ---
TN TO 3 090 090 090 090
TN TO 4 090 090 090 090
TN TO 5 090 090 090 090
2 TO TN --- --- 090 ---
2 TO 2 060 060 060 060
2 TO 3 075 075 075 075
2 TO 4 090 090 090 090
2 TO 5 090 090 090 090
3 TO TN 090 090 090 090
3 TO 2 075 075 075 075
3 TO 3 070 070 070 070
3 TO 4 090 090 090 090
3 TO 5 090 090 090 090
4 TO TN 090 090 090 090
4 TO 2 090 090 090 090
4 TO 3 090 090 090 090
4 TO 4 060 060 060 060
4 TO 5 105 105 105 105
5 TO TN 090 090 090 090
5 TO 2 090 090 090 090
5 TO 3 090 090 090 090
5 TO 4 105 105 105 105
5 TO 5 060 060 060 060
EXCEPTIONS:
A/L FLT-NBR TR DEPARR EFF / DISC
BA 1500-1610 LHR --- --- 180 180
AA LGW
-ALL- LHR --- 180 180 180
AA LGW
BA LHR 180 180 180 180
-ALL- LGW
-ALL- LHR --- 270 --- 270
AA STN
BA 8820-8849 3 22OCT15 --- --- --- 060
AA 0001-2729 3
BA 8820-8849 3 16AUG12 --- --- --- 120
AA 6125-6779 5
BA 3 22OCT15 --- --- --- 060
AA 0001-2729 3
BA 3 16AUG12 --- 060 060 060
AA 6125-6779 3
BA 3 16AUG12 --- 090 090 090
AA 6125-6779 5
BA 5 22OCT15 --- 090 --- ---
AA 0001-2729 3
BA 5 16AUG12 --- 090 090 090
AA 6125-6779 3
BA 5 16AUG12 --- --- 060 ---
AA 6125-6779 5
BA 3 --- --- --- 060
AA 7181-7210 3
BA 3 --- 060 --- 060
AA 8500-8879 3
BA 3 --- 090 --- 090
AA 8500-8879 5
BA 3 --- --- --- 060
AA 8970-9019 3
BA 5 --- 060 --- ---
AA 6125-6779 5
BA 5 --- --- --- 090
AA 7181-7210 3
BA 5 --- 090 --- 090
AA 8500-8879 3
BA 5 --- 060 --- ---
AA 8500-8879 5
BA 5 --- --- --- 090
AA 8970-9019 3
BA 8040-8199 3 --- --- --- SUP
AA 3
BA 8040-8199 3 --- --- --- SUP
AA 4
BA 8040-8199 3 --- --- --- SUP
AA 5
BA 5900-5979 2 075 075 075 075
-ALL- 2
BA 5900-5979 2 090 090 090 090
-ALL- 3
BA 3 090 090 090 090
-ALL- 2
BA 3 --- --- 060 060
-ALL- 3
BA 3 090 090 090 090
-ALL- 5
BA 4 060 060 060 060
-ALL- 4
BA 4 105 105 105 105
-ALL- 5
BA 5 090 090 090 090
-ALL- 2
BA 5 090 090 090 090
-ALL- 3
BA 5 105 105 105 105
-ALL- 4
BA 5 060 060 060 060
-ALL- 5
---------------------------------------------------------------
[DD] Domestic To Domestic [DEP] Departure Airport
[DI] Domestic To Intl [ARR] Arrival Airport
[ID] Intl To Domestic [A/L] Airline
[II] Intl To Intl [TR] Terminal
[EQP W] Wide-Body Aircraft [EFF] Effective Date
[EQP N] Narrow-Body Aircraft [SUP] Suppressed/Prohibited
BTW, thanks Dave for confirming that it is, this is a very convenient routing for the kid concerned.
Nov 22, 2015, 5:30 pm
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Nov 22, 2015, 6:33 pm
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Recently I had arrived at T3 and departed T5 and had to go through security again at T5. If the connection is T3 to T3 do you know if you have to go through security again at T3? I had the fast lane for security, but if you don't have that I imagine that can take quite some time.
Nov 22, 2015, 6:44 pm
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Recently I had arrived at T3 and departed T5 and had to go through security again at T5. If the connection is T3 to T3 do you know if you have to go through security again at T3? I had the fast lane for security, but if you don't have that I imagine that can take quite some time.
Nov 23, 2015, 1:09 am
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While I like LHR I've found it can take quite some time to make connections. I think there still is "flight connections" if you stay in the same terminal which may save some time. I also think it depends on when you are traveling (time and day of week) and given the recent Europe security concerns, even longer.
Nov 23, 2015, 9:20 am
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No bus, but could be a mile or more of walking. If you land at a far gate, have to walk to Flight Connections/security screening, and then end up departing at a far gate. Will not be "nice easy". Though even the bus from T5 drops you off quite a ways from the security screening.
Nov 23, 2015, 12:00 pm
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No bus, but could be a mile or more of walking. If you land at a far gate, have to walk to Flight Connections/security screening, and then end up departing at a far gate. Will not be "nice easy". Though even the bus from T5 drops you off quite a ways from the security screening.
Nov 24, 2015, 12:11 pm
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This could end up being a problem. LHR security can be very slow and even if you have no issue you can be hung up behind someone else who does. We made our most recent connection at LHR by only a minute or two (T5/T3) because my wife was given special screening, and ended up waiting behind a man with a prosthesis and some related meds that exceeded 100 ml. There was a fracas and a supervisor had to be called and she was stuck. We had 90 minutes between flights.
Nov 24, 2015, 12:18 pm
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I don't do connections under 3 hours at LHR. Period. Sometimes it's quick. Most of the time it's not, especially on the inter-terminal connections. And enough of the time it's a moderate disaster and I need all that time, and this doesn't even factor in delays to the inbound flight.
Latest example of how LHR can be frustratingly slow: last Friday a co-worker and I entered T5 Fast Track security. I got through in 5 minutes; their bag was pulled for deeper inspection behind someone who took 30 minutes with multiple supervisors called. It took them about 50 minutes to clear. And this is hardly the only time this has happened to me or traveling companions.
Latest example of how LHR can be frustratingly slow: last Friday a co-worker and I entered T5 Fast Track security. I got through in 5 minutes; their bag was pulled for deeper inspection behind someone who took 30 minutes with multiple supervisors called. It took them about 50 minutes to clear. And this is hardly the only time this has happened to me or traveling companions.
