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I'm actually benefitting from this - good deal for me.
46
6.80%
I'm neutral - I gain some, lose some. I'll stay.
132
19.53%
I'm not happy, but stuck with AA / oneworld at this point.
176
26.04%
I'm unhappy & will use AA & other airlines opportunistically.
274
40.53%
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48
7.10%
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AAdvantage Changes for 2016 - DISCUSSION, REACTION & POLL
Nov 17, 2015, 9:37 am
#1
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AAdvantage Changes for 2016 - DISCUSSION, REACTION & POLL
The thread for factual information, asking questions and posting answers about the changes AA has announced (and will refine) for 2016 is here: Link
Please discuss, ponder, argue, praise or complain about these changes here.
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Thank you for your understanding. We may have originally sailed on different boats, but we are all rowing and bailing together here on this merged airline and dealing with some sea changes.
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Please discuss, ponder, argue, praise or complain about these changes here.
Most members know how to do this, but we have had to delete some posts. This unfortunately makes it necessary to post the following:
Please remember the Rules require civility, refraining from ad hominem and attacks - these include accusations, disrespect toward US or AA members, over personalization, the use of offensive language, etc. For a review of the Rules we all agreed to abide by in return for membership privileges, please read here: http://www.flyertalk.com/help/rules.php.
Posts that do not conform to the Rules may be summarily deleted or edited; continued Rules violations may lead to suspension of membership privileges.
Thank you for your understanding. We may have originally sailed on different boats, but we are all rowing and bailing together here on this merged airline and dealing with some sea changes.
American Airlines | AAdvantage Forum moderation team
Last edited by JDiver; Nov 19, 2015 at 1:30 am
Nov 17, 2015, 12:00 pm
#2
Join Date: Nov 2003
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Have they rented a convention center and redone everything down to the signs for the bathrooms with AA branding for the announcement? And, unlike Apple, AA managed to keep the machinations of their preparations for this event (if not the substance of it) out of the press!
Nov 17, 2015, 12:03 pm
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Partner airline award charts have the new EQM earnings.
BA ranges from 0.5 EQM/mile flown (H fares and below) to (only) 1.5 EQM/mile flown (all premium cabin fares, from discount premium economy to full F).
ETA: All discount economy fares on AS earn 0.5 EQM/mile flown. This includes many fare classes that currently earn 1.0 EQPs. For me, that's a big ouch.
Based on the information JonNYC provided about the AA earnings, which was (of course) spot on, I had no objection to the short notice, since it was an improvement in the elite qualifying process for all flyers. But the revisions to the partner EQM earning chart with about six weeks notice is not good pool.
BA ranges from 0.5 EQM/mile flown (H fares and below) to (only) 1.5 EQM/mile flown (all premium cabin fares, from discount premium economy to full F).
ETA: All discount economy fares on AS earn 0.5 EQM/mile flown. This includes many fare classes that currently earn 1.0 EQPs. For me, that's a big ouch.
Based on the information JonNYC provided about the AA earnings, which was (of course) spot on, I had no objection to the short notice, since it was an improvement in the elite qualifying process for all flyers. But the revisions to the partner EQM earning chart with about six weeks notice is not good pool.
Nov 17, 2015, 12:05 pm
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And they are cheaper than UA for USA-Europe partner awards in premium cabins by a good margin, which is a good sign.
Nov 17, 2015, 12:09 pm
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Partner airline award charts have the new EQM earnings.
BA ranges from 0.5 EQM/mile flown (H fares and below) to (only) 1.5 EQM/mile flown (all premium cabin fares, from discount premium economy to full F).
...But the revisions to the partner EQM earning chart with about six weeks notice is not good pool.
BA ranges from 0.5 EQM/mile flown (H fares and below) to (only) 1.5 EQM/mile flown (all premium cabin fares, from discount premium economy to full F).
...But the revisions to the partner EQM earning chart with about six weeks notice is not good pool.
Nov 17, 2015, 12:14 pm
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At first glance, it looks quite similar to the earning structure we had with the US Dividend Miles program.
Based on all the hype, I really was expecting something much more harsh.
Based on all the hype, I really was expecting something much more harsh.
Nov 17, 2015, 12:14 pm
#12
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Unfortunately, JonNYC seems to have seen the good side of these changes only. The drastic, short-notice cut to partner EQMs which makes partner EQM earning less than it is for EQPs this year is a heavy devaluation for me. The SWU earning cuts turn out to be about as bad as we could have imagined; there appears to now be a maximum of 8 SWUs, and only for 200k EQMs. The rise in the cost of stickers. The award chart.
Based on what JonNYC presented, I had no problem with the short notice, but this is a fair bit worse than he warned us about.
Although one positive change in the award chart: a new 7500 mile award for <500 mile nonstop flights. That is one of the old strengths of BA awards; good to see that option on AA. (Of course, BA's comparable award used to be 4500 points but is going up to 7500 points around the time of this change; in retrospect, that might have been a hint.)
Hawaii 5000 mile inter-island awards are gone, though the new 7500 mile <500 mile awards would apply (for nonstops).
Based on what JonNYC presented, I had no problem with the short notice, but this is a fair bit worse than he warned us about.
Although one positive change in the award chart: a new 7500 mile award for <500 mile nonstop flights. That is one of the old strengths of BA awards; good to see that option on AA. (Of course, BA's comparable award used to be 4500 points but is going up to 7500 points around the time of this change; in retrospect, that might have been a hint.)
Hawaii 5000 mile inter-island awards are gone, though the new 7500 mile <500 mile awards would apply (for nonstops).
Nov 17, 2015, 12:17 pm
#13
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Location: Berkeley, CA
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0.5 EQM for most AS fares and a cap of 1.5 BA EQM even on JBA routes are supremely disappointing to me. The BA decision especially. If they're interested in incentivizing us to buy-up to higher cabins, what's the sense in capping EQMs on revenue shared, métal-neutral services? Rubbish.
Nov 17, 2015, 12:19 pm
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